Why did certain threads get locked???

[wow]

Poden is my hero...there are some people out there, who only fear public humiliation. Others just do what is right, even when no one is looking. For the small amount that just aren't going to do what is right, their only fear is getting caught and what others will think. If you haven't met someone like that, consider yourself lucky. I'm not trying to disagree, but I whole heartily understand. I'm shocked he wrote so much, it must have been hard for him.

Plus, let's not make the victim, the bad guy. Something wrong happened, don't beat him up for his reaction. Most people would have a "bad reaction" or seek revenge, if their own child was hurt.

I am not sure OFC is the place to have this type of dialogue and not sure the narrative is productive at all (the OP). I get your point about morality and doing what is right, especially when it comes to fiduciary responsibility. So I do agree with your position. Where I have concerns is how is productive to post so much ambiguity and expect to foster change? I am pretty sure there is two sides to every story so I am NOT taking a position. I would like to see less "cloak and dagger accusations". I would like to think if the person referenced in the post can not defend themselves how is it productive for everyone to speculate? I absolute agree if its a bad situation call it out, but if you don't name the program its just a free for all of nonsense and speculative droll.

BTW anyone watch the Michigan/NC State game? it was a clinic..

 

[steve77621]

I totally agree with you, there are 2 sides to all stories and i think this story does need to be out there but if you don't name the people involved then innocent people start getting their names brought into this. Since this all started being posted on ofc i have recieved 6 phone calls from either parents, former parents, and even other travel coaches who have said, (is it this person?, or this person? or that person?) and all that does is start dragging other people who have know part of this thru the mud. One of the names that was mentioned to me is one of the more respected coaches i have ever met? When i asked the person why they would even think it was this person they said because the article talked about how successful the highschool program was. i asked if they read the rest of the article because nothing else mentioned pertained to this individual and by bringing their name up was not only unfair but completely unwarranted. I used to post on ofc all the time but i rarely do for this exact reason, i really enjoy reading the things posted on this site but when you post how you believe on a subject and it ruffles the wrong persons feathers then you either get ridiculed, your thread gets locked, you receive warning phone calls at your home at 7am telling you not to post how you feel about stay to play events, or people start rumors. WHICH IS THE WORST THING FOR ANY HIGHSCHOOL TEAM OR TRAVEL TEAM, the minute rumors start people start choosing sides and that tears people, teams, and communities apart...... P.S. (this is my only account) for the people who like to start rumors and try to cause trouble because they see something posted they don't like. Don't start rumors pick up the phone i will be happy to tell you how i feel on a subject.

 

[tjsmize3]

Where I have concerns is how is productive to post so much ambiguity and expect to foster change?...

Good point wow, but I'm not sure the OP was ever looking to foster change or to "keep this from happening to anyone else." It's pretty much spelled out that he wanted revenge and to "take down" another individual.

MI vs NC State round 2 at 3 PM today!

 

[CARDS]

Plus, let's not make the victim, the bad guy. Something wrong happened, don't beat him up for his reaction. Most people would have a "bad reaction" or seek revenge, if their own child was hurt.

It does take courage to do the right thing and to put yourself out there when there is a controversy it is tough. However; Looking back I can not see where anyone suggested that Poden was the bad guy or, was bashing him?
Yes, there were post about concerns on how he decided to vent his frustrations and a general lack of specifics or supporting evidence/facts.

As you stated, "something wrong happened" and a child was involved, When things like this happen the story or complaint needs to be held to a (serious standard). Making the story a docudrama only takes the fire from the message.

I hope in time he or she finds a solution to their ordeal and eventually the story (if found to have merit) will come out to help others that may be facing similar situations.

 

[FastBat]

All of you may be right. But, with over 12,000 views of that post in a few weeks, it had to make a few people think or provide some insight...if not, then none of the posts on this blog have.

 

[cz fastpitch fan]

This has been a great discussion from start to finish.

 

[mike_dyer]

First Amendment....
Gone.

How is this a first amendment issue???

The owners of this site are not obligated to give anyone a platform.

It's always a funny thing when people who struggle with the tough choices like if they should use "your" or "you're" start talking like they are constitutional scholars.

 

[Run26]

How is this a first amendment issue???

The owners of this site are not obligated to give anyone a platform.

It's always a funny thing when people who struggle with the tough choices like if they should use "your" or "you're" start talking like they are constitutional scholars.

Your Write!

 

[mike_dyer]

Eye no.

Their the won whose knot write.

 

[wow]

Eye no.

Their the won whose knot write.

The grammar police are out...

Top 10 grammar mistakes

1. Bring and take. People bring things toward you and take things away from you
2. You're vs your
3. Over use of that. Using that when which is appropriate or when it should not be used at all!
4. Commas to set off unessential elements of a prepositional phrase
5. Independent and Dependent Clauses punctuation
6. Then Vs Than.
7. The dreaded dangling participial.
8. Irregular verbs and adjectives,. You bigly yet bro?
9. Ending Sentences With Prepositions
10.Unclear pronoun reference

 

[FastBat]

Your Write!

That made me lol! Too funny!




BTW, What happened to Preface, Chapter 1 and Chapter 2? I will be very disappointed if those threads are gone.

 

[okiedad1961]

Followed and read most of podens Capters as he calls them.Wouldn't be suprised if most of the accusations were true,got some exposure to some of treatment that HS coach's dish out on the players.The way these school administrators defend there HS coach's is really frustrating , and there cronyism is unbearable.Most people that have the guts to do anything about it will be labled that"Parent"and shuffled between staff till they give up.Only rarely does the coach get exposed and even then they can say they decided to not return because the team was under performing.Thanks Poden for shining the "Spotlight" on the problems that are out there.

 

[wvanalmsick]

Followed and read most of podens Capters as he calls them.Wouldn't be suprised if most of the accusations were true,got some exposure to some of treatment that HS coach's dish out on the players.The way these school administrators defend there HS coach's is really frustrating , and there cronyism is unbearable.Most people that have the guts to do anything about it will be labled that"Parent"and shuffled between staff till they give up.Only rarely does the coach get exposed and even then they can say they decided to not return because the team was under performing.Thanks Poden for shining the "Spotlight" on the problems that are out there.

"You're killin me Smalls!!!" I think you now have the record for grammatical miscues in one post. LOL My Grammarly is lit-up like a Christmas Tree!!! I think you got just about all of wow's list in your post.

For inquiring minds, Grammarly is an Add-in for Google Chrome that checks and highlights grammatical errors for online posts so that poor saps like me can correct our miscues before posting.

 

[FastBat]

I understand this site is allowed to do what it feels is best for all; I respect that. But, I feel an obligation to share some information I came across as I was trying to figure out what defamation actually is. Defamation, a catch all term; libal, written; slander, spoken...these are basically one in the same.

Defamation is...

"A defamatory statement must be false -- otherwise it's not considered damaging. Even terribly mean or disparaging things are not defamatory if the shoe fits.

Remember that someone expressing a negative opinion or criminality about you, or even relating an embarrassing anecdote about you, is not the same as making a false and defamatory statement. Defamation laws protect people from untrue, damaging statements. If the defendant can prove the statement he or she made was true, the defamation lawsuit ends there.

In order to sue for defamation of character, it's not enough that somebody express or publish a defamatory statement. There must also be real damage caused by the statement. Defamation cases are notoriously difficult to win since the burden of proof is on the plaintiff to prove that a statement is defamatory and damaging.

Generally, public figures (I assume coaches) must overcome a higher standard to prove that they have been defamed.

Opinions don't count as defamation because they can't be proved to be objectively false."

So, if you are speaking the truth about anyone, no matter how horrible it is, that is legally allowed and not considered defamation. The person saying it, just has to be able to prove it. So, no laws are broken, if what they are saying is true. Regarding the first amendment, you are legally allowed to say whatever you would like in public, as long as it is true and not defamation.

Don't be afraid to speak the truth, ever.


Sleep well tonight Poden, just like the rest of us!

 

[coachjwb]

Jen ... while I agree with you for the most part, a few thoughts ...

1) I doubt that coaches qualify as public figures as it may have been intended ... think more like elected politicians or newscasters who express their opinions
2) There are 2 sides to every story ... if at some point someone determines that part of the story isn't true (whether it may be or not), and someone loses their job, there could be determined to be damages
3) Even if a story is totally true and there is no damage eventually, it can be very expensive to defend lawsuits

I'm not saying a person still shouldn't take something public if they or a loved one has been wronged, or if a person owns a forum that they shouldn't allow some leeway, but there can be some good reasons to not go public in this way and go the route instead of alternative processes.

 

[FastBat]

Jen ... while I agree with you for the most part, a few thoughts ...

1) I doubt that coaches qualify as public figures as it may have been intended ... think more like elected politicians or newscasters who express their opinions
2) There are 2 sides to every story ... if at some point someone determines that part of the story isn't true (whether it may be or not), and someone loses their job, there could be determined to be damages
3) Even if a story is totally true and there is no damage eventually, it can be very expensive to defend lawsuits

I'm not saying a person still shouldn't take something public if they or a loved one has been wronged, or if a person owns a forum that they shouldn't allow some leeway, but there can be some good reasons to not go public in this way and go the route instead of alternative processes.

You might be right, but it's not just elected officials.
"Who Is a Public Figure in a Defamation Lawsuit?
Anyone, given the right circumstances could be considered a public figure. The term "public figure" is not limited to government officials and celebrities. Some courts have determined bar owners, restaurateurs, accountants, and even insurance agents to be public figures in certain defamation cases."

My point is, it's just not that easy to start suing people, especially over stuff like this.

"Suing for defamation, or even just threatening to sue, is seldom a good idea, even ignoring the expense, effort, time and uncertain outcome of going to court. When you are a victim of unfair (untrue) comments, and you sue, you become the attacker. Defamation threats and suits are frequently used to suppress free speech. When you are defamed (untrue comments), ignore it, if possible and get on with your life. Avoid courts like the plague."

IMHO, if everyone would treat others with respect and be honest, then no one would have to worry about this kind of stuff.

 

[okiedad1961]

"You're killin me Smalls!!!" I think you now have the record for grammatical miscues in one post. LOL My Grammarly is lit-up like a Christmas Tree!!! I think you got just about all of wow's list in your post.

For inquiring minds, Grammarly is an Add-in for Google Chrome that checks and highlights grammatical errors for online posts so that poor saps like me can correct our miscues before posting.

Thanks WVanal, My family usually prefers they check my grammar before posting so I'm not suprised,Maybe the post hit a nerve,that made you need to check it for me.