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I am having a hard time understanding why coaches would call and ask other teams players to play for them. I understand that there are cirumstances that occur durig the season, and teams need to go looking for players, but why do they need to go out of their way to call players that are currently playing on other teams to ask them to come play for them just because they need players.

There are players that come up to our coaches all of the time throughout the summer asking if they can come and play for our team, and our coaches politely tell them when tryouts are and if they want to tryout for the team then they should do so in the fall. I have heard them say this to players. And they would never go and call another teams player and ask them to leave their team to join their team for tournaments, whether it be nationals to stingrays.

Is there anyone out there that feels that this is wrong?? Is there anyone else going through this?

The thing that kills me about this, is that it seems like it is the "established" organizations that are doing it.
Do they think that just because they ask, everyone wants to play for them and they will leave their current teams at a shot of playing with the BIG TIME teams?

Our player did the right thing and told them NO.

But why is this happening?? Its bad enough that we have to go through the entire summer worrying about other teams "recruiting" players to come play with them next year. They come up to the dugouts, they talk to the parents during the games, promising exposure, lots of travel, more wins and hopes of championships. What next? Gas money for tournaments?

WHY? WHY? WHY? Can someone explain this to me?

 

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But why is this happening??

Because not all players are happy, and some will switch teams. If everyone always said "no" no one would ask.

 

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I am having a hard time understanding why coaches would call and ask other teams players to play for them. I understand that there are cirumstances that occur durig the season, and teams need to go looking for players, but why do they need to go out of their way to call players that are currently playing on other teams to ask them to come play for them just because they need players.

There are players that come up to our coaches all of the time throughout the summer asking if they can come and play for our team, and our coaches politely tell them when tryouts are and if they want to tryout for the team then they should do so in the fall. ?I have heard them say this to players. ?And they would never go and call another teams player and ask them to leave their team to join their team for tournaments, whether it be nationals to stingrays.

Is there anyone out there that feels that this is wrong?? ?Is there anyone else going through this? ?

The thing that kills me about this, is that it seems like it is the "established" organizations that are doing it. ?
Do they think that just because they ask, everyone wants to play for them and they will leave their current teams at a shot of playing with the BIG TIME teams?

Our player did the right thing and told them NO. ?

But why is this happening?? ?Its bad enough that we have to go through the entire summer worrying about other teams "recruiting" players to come play with them next year. ?They come up to the dugouts, they talk to the parents during the games, promising exposure, lots of travel, more wins and hopes of championships. ?What next? ?Gas money for tournaments? ?

WHY? ?WHY? ?WHY? ?Can someone explain this to me?

Very good post. Many of the so called "established" organizations are feeling heat because of the new kids on the block. Those organizations feel as if they can go out of there way to recruit players from other teams. They use the organization as a tool toentice these young players. There are good players on every team. Hard work, good coaching and genuinely caring for the players will provide an atmosphere for improvement. There are good coaches who don't coach with the "established" teams!

 

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we have all seen this for years now. why is anyone ever surprised. I do not agree with this practice but it happens and often it has to do with the player or family wanting to play in a meaningful tournament and on a competitive team. sometimes players get caught up in a situation where they are on a team that has little or no chance of playing late on sunday. When given the chance, it is sometimes tough to say no. many parents invest a lot of money in lessons and so on and if a team or coach is not helping the player meet their potential then the oppertunity looks good.

then of course there is always the "grass is always greener" reason. Typically this player is one that we all would like to see go anyway. I ran across one player this season that has been with three teams already.

there appears to be some strong dislike against established teams or something like that but to tell you the truth I see more of this stuff out of the lesser teams because they are looking for a player that might already actually be good. of course this is a much harder sell to convince them to come over. how exactly would that conversation go? maybe like this "hey why don't you leave the successful team that you are currently playing for and come on over here with us. that way you could have all of your sundays available to do whatever you want" . yea, I could see where that is a great sell. ?

 

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there appears to be some strong dislike against established teams or something like that but to tell you the truth I see more of this stuff out of the lesser teams because they are looking for a player that might already actually be good. of course this is a much harder sell to convince them to come over. how exactly would that conversation go? maybe like this "hey why don't you leave the successful team that you are currently playing for and come on over here with us. that way you could have all of your sundays available to do whatever you want" . yea, I could see where that is a great sell. ?

Chosenone,
I feel for you. Is the above method the one you use. Maybe you follow posters and make derogatory remarks. Arrogance seems to be the measure you use for success. Its obvious that you put yourself ahead of helping players achieve their goals. Smooth talking is at a premium in all of your posts.

 

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As usual though I think there may be two sides to every coin. Couldn't it also be remotely possible that a team might in fact be approached by a player or even a coach of a player who says there team has decided not to go to a National tournament and they have a few girls who would like to go with a good team? Heard alot of that going on the last few weekends....just saying!

 

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All these situations happen thru out a season,The first time i would pick up a player and play them in front of a regular,should be the last game i coach.I would love to have a couple good players to go with what i already have, but these girls have been loyal to me so i will be loyal to them win or lose.

 

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mv vipers 14 I agree with you, I don't think that this is so abnormal either. in this case it is better for players to be able to go with someone then not go at all. of course this situation sometimes causes other issues on the team that played together all season long. not a perfect situation but parents often do what they think is best for their daughter.

as far as the other post is concerned I am not sure how to respond. success is measured in many different ways. perosnally I have nothing to do with making players better or not. my daughter works hard and that is all that I can ask for. not really sure when common sense became unpopular. excuse me for having an opinon, I was not aware that it was reserved for only a choosen few.

 

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another thing to keep in mind --just because a kid shows up with a new team don't assume you know with certainty she was recruited. Assume is spelled that way for a reason. MD

 

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Ok I should put in my glasses b-4 reading ( lesser )

My apologies


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OK, where did he mention the Lasers?

 

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MVV,

I agree...two sides to every story.

 

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I wanna play for the Lessers!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

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the point is it has happened, it will continue to happen, and it will happen more frequently especially this time of year because many families are looking for something better for next year. Might as well take the test drive if afforded the oppertunity.

I also have to go agree manitouDan on this one. well said.

isn't it funny to hear some teams or organizations that act as if they are the only ones who have pure intentions when it come to the players best interest? what are we going to start calling these so called organizations and teams? myabe we should refer to them as "big softball" they way that the liberals refer to the oil companies as "big oil" how about that?

 

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The early bird gets the worm... The squeaky wheel gets the grease... And the Golden Question: If all the team members are happy and comfortable with where they are, why would they even consider an offer from another team? On the other hand, if a player does jump ship (at the END of the season), I'm betting it wasn't a split-second decision - you lost them far earlier in the season.

 

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The one that gets me mad is team A wins a bid plays an early states and should have a locked roster but the director unlocks the players to go and play for team b and everything is just fine. I think it is time for the directors to leave the sport. and by the way team a I believe looked better against the strong teams then team b and those players I really hope someone higher up looks at them and the whole team at nationals and says go home you can not play.

 

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redrover,
I agree with your post. Just this week a "representative" of a larger organization called and asked one of our players to go to Nationals with his organization. Does he think our team is not planning on attending nationals? Does he think we don't need this player? This was not the first time he has attempted to lure this player away this year. It sickens me that he continues to ask again and again even though the girl and her parents have told him they are not interested. She is happy where she is and her team is considered pretty successful. And by the way she is not the only player he has tried to get from out team. Are there no principles in this sport??

 

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well said sammy. sometimes I think what is forgotten is that players and parents want to have real success. if they are serious about the game and the work that they do, and the money that they spend then they want to have their kid have the best oppertunity to prove what she can do. its the way things are. that does not mean that every player will always jump if the oppertunity presents itself, but some do because the oppertunity is a good one. now those teams that go into others dugouts and so on, that is not right, but good players get noticed and parking lots are public access areas as far as I know. there is nothing wrong with letting someone know that you think they are a nice player. if they are happy where they are, then so be it. if not then I guess they can consider the oppertuntiy for themselves. its kind of like "big oil" I am sure that every mean oil company out there is looking for the person who is best at finding new oil reserves. everybody wants that person on their team.

 

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was this particular situation one where your team was off on a weekend and they were going to use this player as a sub? just wonderin....if someone approached my DD for a weekend we were off, I wouldn't be thinking "this org just wants my DD for themselves!" I'd take it as a compliment to her abilities
...if my DD didn't want to go, then fine....but, honestly, have you ever said, maybe after losing to a tough team, and think "my DD would do great in (insert position)"....but my DD also knows this, if a strong team tries to "recruit" she knows she has her work cut out for her (not that her position with her current club is rock solid--you always want to have them compete)--most parents should know that during tryouts, most teams are only looking to fill in the gaps...plus, if they are a new girl going into a veteran, battle-tested team, unless she sets the world afire, she's probably going to sub instead of taking over...

...i know my coach will start looking at me with the stink eye during the next tourney, but that's human nature...plus, he knows my DD bleeds Classic purple so she isn't going anywhere

i'm all over the map here, but to answer the original question--


wins baby! parents/coaches want wins, by any means necessary...and we DO play travel ball, which means we want to win too...and our DD's want to win as well...come on people, if we didn't care about winning, play rec

 

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Why do these situations upset people so much? I'd take it as a compliment if someone approached my dd. The bottom line is that this is travel ball, if you want a competitive team you have to find the best players available. If you are happy where you are at, just a polite "thank you we are satisfied with her current team" will do. The big name organizations have an uncanny knack for being able to draw girls, why is that, because they win!