I missed the second page of this thread when I first replied. To answer the sub-thread that ringer has started with the strike four thing...It's the umpire's responsibility to keep track of the balls and strikes. Aside from being honest I also teach my players not to argue with the umpire. If the ump makes that mistake then the opposing coach/scorekeeper should say something, if they don't then the game moves on. If that is my batter that's up and that happens, is it dishonest for me not to point out the error? Maybe it is, but do I make the umpire look like he/she doesn't have a handle on the game by pointing something like this out? Sometimes these situations occur, but they go both ways.
This is leading this thread down another path but, I'm not saying that I won't go out and talk to the ump about a call that I feel was bad, to try and get them to overturn it. I do that so they make a better effort to put themselves in a position next time to make the right call.
