Changing organizations in the middle of the season

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BH97:

Ted and I talk a lot about this issue. When we are told we should play our best nine, it's not clear that the advisor and the advisees have the same concept of exactly who that would be, especially when it comes to putting your best nine on offense and your best nine on defense out there. ;& We've actually lost a player whose father thought that batting the #4 position as DP for two games in a row was "not playing" the daughter.

Considering the fact that what had lead up to that point and the fact that it was 2 games in a row when no other player was getting the same treatment I would say the move was the right thing to do! You did not lose that player do to the fact that she sat 2 games and the dad didn't understand what playing time was all about!
 
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We had that very same thing of batting and not playing. We had a player not come back last year because she wasn't playing, well, batting is playing. Her father thought she should be playing first base and batting clean up. Well, she left. And we saw her this year and she is batting only and not playing the field. Same as with our team. There are times when you should do what is asked of you by the coach. Most of them are doing their best to try to get every player play time. The coach doesn't like to turn around and see a girl looking at them and she is angry about not playing. They do try to get in all players into some aspect of the game. Some may play the field and not hit. Others may just bat and not play the field but that is playing. I don't know of many teams that have the same nine starters for every game. There are always injuries, illnesses or other times when you will be called upon to play.
 
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We had that very same thing of batting and not playing. We had a player not come back last year because she wasn't playing, well, batting is playing. Her father thought she should be playing first base and batting clean up. Well, she left. And we saw her this year and she is batting only and not playing the field. Same as with our team. There are times when you should do what is asked of you by the coach. Most of them are doing their best to try to get every player play time. The coach doesn't like to turn around and see a girl looking at them and she is angry about not playing. They do try to get in all players into some aspect of the game. Some may play the field and not hit. Others may just bat and not play the field but that is playing. I don't know of many teams that have the same nine starters for every game. There are always injuries, illnesses or other times when you will be called upon to play.

Unless your kid is playing for the Yankees or the Akron Racers I think JUST hitting or Just fielding is unacceptable escpecially at the younger age groups! Contrary to what some of you think it's not all about winning the tournament it's also about developing the players you have. Only fielding or only hitting or only playing right field is not only hurting the player but it also hurts your team! You are only as good as your weakest link. I have yet to meet a player that would truly be happy with that. If they are a good coach they probably won't have too many angry players! If you tell that parent at tryouts that this is the way it will be and they are okay with that then fine, otherwise, you should do your best to deliver on what you offered them. jmho
 
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The consensus on the boards seems to be that sticking it out is the character-building thing to do.

And maybe that's true sometimes, depending on the situation.

But not always. What about the character-building involved in a girl standing up for herself against treatment that is either unfair or just downright mean?

Sometimes, when appropriate, I think it's worthwhile to tell a coach where he can stick his all-purpose, embossed leatherette clipboard.

Encouraging girls to tolerate being mistreated serves no good purpose.

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My son plays baseball, more often than not, all he does is DH. He loves it. If he's happy...I'm happy. :)
 
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boys in baseball handle adversity from other players a bit different than girls in softball do.....:D
 
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If you're hittin' your playin' in my book, but all my girls also have a defensive role, where just depends on what point of the tourney we are in.
 
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LOL..I agree with that.
I also think that the way a kid reacts to a situation is based on how their parents act. If the parents are not happy with a situation on a team and really vocal and negative about it in front of the player, regardless, the kid won't be happy either..no matter what is going on. I've seen it over and over again.


boys in baseball handle adversity from other players a bit different than girls in softball do.....:D
 
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I have been out of travel softball for several years now. I am very sad to read some of the posts on here and hear about the things going on. I have gained great perspective being out. My lawns mowed, honey do list caught up, I see my old buddies more often but not a weekend goes by in the summer I don't miss being at a softball complex. My oldest daughter getting married in a couple weeks, youngest one starting junior year in college and still playing softball, but I still miss travel ball. At the end of the day parents this is not about you. You are there for the support and memories. I believe "no one can put you down without your permission". Other words most of the trouble with "bad situations" is your inability to deal with some adversity. You decide if you look back and are still angry or if you end up like me, look back and smile. Ed Chaney.
 
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DD was DH for her team in probably half of the games this season. Her coach explained to her when she asked why she was sitting, that in her eyes it was playing as you are taking a turn at bat from another player. We know that this type of situation can happen in high school and that learning to deal with it now is better than being upset in high school.
 
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Don't pull your child if your expectations are not being meet due to rose colored glasses. You can point to daddy ball or what ever, but there has been some sage advise given here. . .Always remember emotionals run very high when it is our own child involved and we do not perceive the situation to be giving them a fair shake. I really recommend you talk to someone that is not involved with the situation that can give you the view point from a softball educated point of view. Only mention facts, no he said, she saids. . . then listen with an open mind and open ears. You may, or may not like what you hear, but it will be the truth.

I agree and agree with ammendments with some of your points.

In my opinion, your suggestion of talking with someone who isn?t involved is rock solid advice. Listening to their honest point of view is great advice.

I don't believe Rose Colored glasses are always exclusive items to parents, I think there can be coaches (not all, but some) who wear them as well.
 
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I guess if it's bad enough... you could sign up under a new name (if the Bear lets you) and you can rant-n-rave for days....and then maybe the OFC committee will start 2nd guessing and redoing everything... and then just maybe it will run the coach off and everyone else can stay.

Situations are priceless for every affected person/player. Have to be open minded and I can tell you by the time the player (or mommy and daddy) wants to leave...I'll bet you the coach has had enough anyway.
 
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This might be a little off subject from the original post but, there is fairly routine discussion of families leaving teams on the OFC the majority of the angst seems to revolves around the issue of communication and transparency. If a girl isnt playing game after game, she and her family should know why.

How many teams are proactive and individually meet with girls routinely to discuss the issues surrounding the lack of playing or at bats during games? Or better yet, tell them what they have to achieve in order to play or bat? There are coaches who clearly do not want to have these conversations and would rather not discuss these issues and there are parents who may not want to hear what the coach may have to say. It doesnt mean that the conversation doesnt need to happen. I dont think the burden of initiating this conversation should fall entirely on the girl or the parents, especially at the younger ages 10-12-14u.

I believe transparency can be a good thing. I have great respect for those organizations/coaches who embrace this approach. It is important to create a competitive environment because as a sport, the environment must be improved for all players not just those who adults label as successful.

I found a longitudinal study of why adolescents in competitive sports drop or stay engaged in the sport. For those who drop out the reasons included: early peak performance and difficulty moving up into the older age brackets, coaches with poor communication skills; coaches who demonstrated autocratic or authoritarian styles, had short tempers, and could not relate to or communicate with adolescents; coaches ignored weaker players and interesting all of those in the study (even those who stay engaged in the sport) agree that coaches demonstrated some favoritism and to a degree ignored weaker players; parents wouldnt let them have unstructured time away from the sport to do developmentally appropriate activities, parents who coached at practices or during events, pressure from friends to attend peer activities.

For those whose stay engaged in the sport the number 1 reason cited, was having a coach who demonstrated belief, passion, and encouragement and acted as motivators, number 2 reason cited was having coaches that were excellent communicators (genuine interest in each individual and ability to clearly communicate constrictive feedback), having parents who are unconditionally supportive, and the organization gave them time for participation in other activities outside of the sport.

A great example of a competitive environment is the Ohio State Marching Band, each week the band members who didn't get to take the field have the opportunity to formally challenge one of their team members to earn back the spot on the field. The competitive spirit drives every member on the field to improve for fear of loosing their spot and it creates a motivational climate where everyone improves.

I acknowledge there can be cases where families leave teams for superficial reasons, but wouldnt clearly communicating what is happening during the year help with retention and help prevent the angst and make for a better experience for all?
 
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We had a very similar situation this year and the player/family ended up leaving the team, alot of the girls did not understand why. I agree with following through with the comittment to the team and I also agree more than likely it is more the the parents/coaches than it is the girls on the team. You have to decide what si the best decision for your family/player.
 
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I agree and agree with ammendments with some of your points.

In my opinion, your suggestion of talking with someone who isn?t involved is rock solid advice. Listening to their honest point of view is great advice.

I don't believe Rose Colored glasses are always exclusive items to parents, I think there can be coaches (not all, but some) who wear them as well.

True point to the rose colored glasses not just being on parents funsister. . .I truley love being able to coach with out any children of my own on the team. It allows for a more objective point of view.
 
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jmho, I say stay. Even in the "perfect" situation there will be some drama and some imperfect situations. My dd is happy with her current team, but, I just finished a conversation with her about a situation that went on around her, about her, and she was hurt. I gave her my advice and hopefully that will be enough.

We did leave an org., that she was in the situation your dd is right now, at the end of the season. Waiting made her a better ball player and she learned a few things about her own character. jmho[/QUOTE

My dd also was in a bad situation a few years back and I believe staying and seeing the season through was a testament of her character...I believe there are times to go and times to stay but unless my child is in a situation that would emotionally or physically hurt her she needs to see through her obligation to her coach and her teammates! Which brings me to these questions b/c I am struggling with the answers..At what point is a player obligated to stay with a team that she has verbally committed to?? and at what point is poaching a player poaching??? I have my own thoughts on these two things but would love to hear everyone elses opinions..
 
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I truley love being able to coach with out any children of my own on the team. It allows for a more objective point of view.

I'm in this position this year. Still trying to see if it has made me or allowed me to see a difference in my approach or not. I see your point.

It clearly poses a new challenge for my family. Time will tell...
 
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I always told my kids, that once they committed to a team we were committed through the end of the season. Couple of times I was fed up enough that I ended up going to the head of the organization and voicing my concerns, sometimes it helps, sometimes it makes things worse. Generally at 11U/12U the girls are less the problem than the parents - the girls mainly reflect the parents' line of thought.

My thoughts exactly.
 
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I'd like to get everyone's thoughts on something like this. My DD is just not happy or having fun on her current team. Every weekend there is some new drama or BS that arises between the girls, coaching staff, parents, and it pulls everyone in whether they are a part of it or not. There is another opportunity with another organization that had arisen (an injury) and my DD fits what they are looking for perfectly.

My biggest concern is that she might want to bail like this any time things start going south with whatever team she is playing for. I think a little adversity is good for character building but I hate seeing her unhappy and miserable all the time.

She is an 11yo player in her second year of travel ball.

Opinions? Thoughts?

Things I know to be true:
1. There is no "perfect" fit. Your dd might be a good fit for another team, but by no means is it perfect.
2. Over 90% of the travel teams have some form of BS and/or drama. You can't escape it. Someone is always unhappy.
3. Quitting is a learned habit.
4. Sometimes talking with the coaches helps.
5. Sometimes having a parent meeting to clear the air helps.
6. 11 year old princesses can be a major PITA.
7. Very seldom is the grass greener on the other side. If you're being recruited by another team even though your dd is already on a team and they know it, that alone should throw up a huge red flag concerning the inquiring team.
8. You might not know exactly why your dd is not happy and having fun. She might not be telling you the whole story.

Your post is too vague for anyone to give you the correct answer, hence the list of things I know to be true.

Len
 
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