Rec ball over travel ball?

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Why let your professional travel girls even play rec ball??

This elitist attitude is a joke. If the environmen is so bad, why are your girls even playing it?

Jim, again, I love rec ball. I do not love part-time players in a team sport. We don't forbid our kids from playing rec ball. We ask them not to miss what we do for rec ball. If anybody wants to play 2 sports at a time in high school, they have to pick a primary sport which ALWAYS wins out if there is a conflict. This is no different, we ask that travel softball always win out if there is a conflict with rec ball. That is the only way that it works. And missing rec ball practices does cause a conflict with the other parents on the rec team, especially when their daughter is sitting after attending 2 practices that the travel kid, who is playing, missed.

I've had kids miss practice to finish JO volleyball, AAU basketball and probably 20 different school functions and other activities. It's all fine, but we can't have the travel team play at less than it's full potential because SOME of the players and parents want to have their cake and eat it too. It's not fair to the other players who are only playing travel.

I was a rec ball coach for years and coached rec and travel at the same time (3 daughters). I've lived and breathed this in every possible way and it very rarely works for ALL concerned.
 
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Now, when there is a travel team practice, while we'd like for all players to be there all the time, we do understand if the player has a game in rec ball, or another sport, and its not a problem if they miss a practice here and there for that reason.

I'm not trying to pick on you at all - just wondering. Do the parents and players on your travel team playing travel ball only agree with this statement? Just in terms of missing for a rec ball game. If they are fine with it, you are very lucky.
 
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I'm very interested in thread because it runs right up our alley. This is our dd's first combined Rec/Travel season, and so far there have been no conflicts. There have been days where our dd has had practices with both teams on 1 day, but other than being really hungry, then really tired, she's seems to be loving it. Like DTRJ, this year I find myself coaching my dd's Rec team, so there's no hard feelings from the Rec coach when should the girl miss a Rec practice for a travel activity. She's a rookie pitcher, and playing in the Rec league gives her a chance to gain game experience. Experience she's not going to get on her travel team as a pitcher, at least not this season.

Doing both allows her to play a game she loves, and is determined to get better at. What's not to enjoy?
 
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Been playing both since she was 8. Never had and issue. Rec schedule is T-W-Th , travel on weeekends. She pitches thru the week. Only issue now is going into high school , out of season sports mandating she play Monday nights and open gym..
 
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practiced for over 2 hours yesterday at a location nearly 2 hours away, came home , kid changed clothes, played a middle school game at 6pm on sunday. I'm not against both, travel just comes 1st.
 
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I agree you can't give 100% of your time to both teams but we made our priority clear before signing up for the local team. The local team has 13 players because my dd and another player are on tournament teams. Neither of the tournament players expects to play just because they show up. As a matter of fact they miss less practices than most of the team. They are the ones always up cheering on the team when not playing. They may not be there 100% of the time but when they are they give 100%. Why does my dd play on both? It's FUN and she can.:D
 
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I'm of the mind that if you commit to two teams then you just messed up. I don't care which one "you get more out of" or the like. You commit, you honor it with few exceptions. Minimizing the rec system is being snobbish. Are we teaching our daughters to make plans and to honor them unless something better comes along?

Now to contradict myself.... If a player had to miss a weekend due to ****** or traveling softball, etc. then I wouldn't care as that is the reality.

But there is a line you shouldn't cross. If you are missing a practice here, and game there, then another practice then another game... then you are not respecting the rec team AT ALL.
 
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dtrj, parents/players all seem fine with it. Then again, almost all of our players play some form of rec ball, middle school ball, or even another sport, that has come into play here and there. Other sports like aau basketball that sometimes means they might miss a travel practice because their aau team is in the finals during that time. So far no issues. But it rarely happens that a player misses for these reasons. If it happened more often, and especially if it was the same player or two, lets say, then it might be more of an issue and some of us might change our view on this. So far, so good.

Again, my dd will be at travel practice, and surely every travel game, over anything else. We explained this to the rec ball coach and he decides how he wants to handle on his end, and we have and always will accept how he wants to handle it. If she doesn't play much then we totally understand. Its not snobbish to have players and their families more committed to travel ball over rec ball. Its common sense. Rec ball is totally optional as it is solely for recreation and fun and most programs have minimal practices as they surely don't have winter facilities and such lined up. Travel has the added goal of really getting your kid alot of instruction, and games against similar teams made up of players, coaches and families that go as hard at it all as you do, which clearly benefits the players alot. The tryouts, planning, amount of practice, level of instruction, selection of tournaments, travel costs, etc, etc, which you pay alot for, is what makes it a higher priority than rec ball. The overwhelming majority of the parents/players involved in travel ball surely look at it this way. If some people feel different, sobeit. Don't get it, but to each their own. My dd will be at the first pool game of a travel tournament instead of her rec ball championship game. And once the schedule is set for the summer nothing short of a major illness, funeral, wedding, major, major, major family plans, or 40 days and 40 nights of rain will keep her from her travel games. So its not that my daughter does rec ball unless something better comes along. We already know there is something more beneficial to her than rec ball. Travel ball. The rec ball coach has been made aware of this, and our opinion, with no offense intended. And that is, she is not committing to rec ball. She is committed to travel ball. She will come when she can to rec ball, and because of that, we will accept whatever role she winds up with. Most rec balls coaches totally understand this.
 
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Coach MikeH:

Does your analysis change if the rec coach asked for the participation of the travel ball player with the full understanding that travel ball would come first? Do you see any advantage to having a travel ball player who has the "travel ball bug" help to expose the rec players to the potential of the game?

Although my questions may appear loaded, I'm really interested in the perspective of the rec coach on these issues.
 
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krm has obviously done a better job of posing the question than I did. Ships passing in the night.
 
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Coach MikeH:

Does your analysis change if the rec coach asked for the participation of the travel ball player with the full understanding that travel ball would come first? Do you see any advantage to having a travel ball player who has the "travel ball bug" help to expose the rec players to the potential of the game?

Although my questions may appear loaded, I'm really interested in the perspective of the rec coach on these issues.


I'll start out with.... my son played travel from age 9 on up, and my daughter will probably go travel next year at age 10. We have considered playing rec as a "pre-season" to travel if she makes a team.

Just wanted to let you know I'm certainly not anti-travel and quite the opposite, I am "each player has to find a situation/team that best suits their goals and wants."


I don't think that higher level players ignite any sort of urges/passions (my words) in the majority of the non-travel kids. The few that may be excited about being exposed to that player may also be turned off because the travel kid thinks the travel ball is more important than the rec ball that the non-travel kid plays. Maybe that will happen, probably won't.

It's easy to contradict with saying "I'd rather you not miss games to go play with another team" then be ok with a kid going on vacation or the like. They both missed game by choice, right? However I'd NEVER give a second thought with a player going on vacation or the like because it isn't life or death, is it? Heck no it isn't.

And again missing a practice or missing a game for another team isn't a big deal. Missing several tells me and the other kids that we are down on your list of commitments and gives the air of "we will show up when we feel like it". Is that really the attitude? I'm sure it isn't for most but that is what it feels like, especially when I have 11 players and I have to fight to get enough there to play a game.

I think the up front communication with the coach is the thing to do but the communication needs to happen before then. I think that the rec system should be asked if it is ok if they are going to miss anything other than one game or one practice. If the rec system is ok with it then the coach should be just fine because that is the conditions she signed up under and that is that. It really isn't up to the coach to set the rules on participation or punish/come down on kids.

And all the above is fine but it comes down to my personal attitude that if you sign up for something, you should treat it as if it is very important. Your attendance is important to the team no matter if you are a very good player or a very poor player. I want all of my players there either way.

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Does your analysis change if the rec coach asked for the participation of the travel ball player with the full understanding that travel ball would come first?

In this case, which isn't the norm, nothing can be said, right? Full understanding, full disclosure, everybody is fully aware of everything.
 
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coach_mike, I do agree in that if a kid signs up for rec ball and the coach is not informed of the kids commitment to another team (travel) then thats not right. The rec ball coach is trying to do his/her job organizing it all, making sure he/she has enough players, etc. Both levels are a commitment that should be honored if they can be. But when they conflict, as long as the coach knows where your commitment is, well in advance of the conflict, all should be ok. We wouldn't sign her up for rec ball and then not tell the coach exactly where we stand. And that is , given that she plays travel ball, rec ball is down on her list of priorities. Like one poster stated about his dd, my dd will probably make more games and practices for rec ball once all is said and done, than half the players on the team , and the rest do not play travel level softball. They just miss for different reasons than being on a different team. Luckily in our area, my dd and another player, are the only travel players in their age group currently and the rec ball coaches always know well ahead of time where we stand. Plus they usually have a ton of players for rec ball so it doesn't hurt the numbers. Now when they do show up they usually play, but it really wouldn't bother my dd, or myself, if she were a bench player at the rec ball level. In the end you're right, as long as everything has been communicated up front it all works out. Has for us so far.
 
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Fortunately our rec. program does not allow travel players, unfortunately they wont support travel either, which creates a new level of bad blood between people with similar goals.
Our rec program is abismal and travel ball is bashed, not out of anger but ignorance. When the girls get to middle school ball you can see the difference. Rec ball "studs" can't crack the starting line up, I'm sure that is a product of our rec program and is not the case everywhere. Parents are shocked that their daughters aren't starting.
I always had the attitude of community first but after 5 years it was too tough of a battle to draw players for a higher level of play within our city, now I take care of mine and will help out anyone else that is willing to make a commitment but I wont try to find players within the community that want to move to the next level, they have to come forward on their own.
 
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The rec coaches kids getting cut from middle school ball was interesting also
 
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Flatline - That is EXACTLY how our rec leagues are. You couldn't have described my circumstances any better. It is sad too, because it only hurts the girls.
 
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I tried to let my DD play both one season. After seeing the poor pitching all week it would take a good game or 2 for her to adjust back to the speed of the travel pitchers. We eventually had to pull her out to end her frustration and mine. I agree a good practice is worth much more than a rec game.
 
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Our DD's first year in Travel my DH was the Coach of her Rec ball team so he was committed to it. But He had the choice to hold practices around Travel and reschedule games ect. Not everyone is that lucky. We did it one year & said enough! It was insain trying to run every night and I do mean EVERY night to a ball game since Travel games were weekends and Rec was during the week.
Anyone considering it, GOOD LUCK! :lmao:
Besides, It nearly burned our DD out and she lives for her Softball. Her decision was Travel ball from that point on.
 
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Flatline, actually that happened to my DD with her first year on the HS team. At first during practices she got bantered a bit by the girls. :mad: But when they started actually playing games & saw that my DD was a benefit to the team she shut them up.
I told her to not say a word. Keep her head up & just shut them up on the field. It worked. ;) Actions speak louder than words sometimes.
 
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First of all; travel would be priority over rec ball. I feel that if schedules can be worked out, both would benefit. I coached both for many years is this is why I say this: Having 3-5 travel players on a rec team actually raises the level of play for the rec players as they learn things from the travel kids like how to run bases. (lead by Example). How many good travel players have trouble hitting slower pitching; this teaches the travel kids to stay back and be patient while hitting. Also if a kid plays a certein position in travel ball, it gives them opportunity to play other positions. Very bad rec ball is definately not good to play though. The rec league must be fairly desent.
 

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