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At first, I was thinking how selfish the parent was. Then after thinking about it for a while, I began to see the parent's side.

The school system is suppose to develop kids for the next level. However, the school coach is stereotyping this girl as a Center, based on the fact that she is 6'1".

Instead of the coach learning how to run a 4, or 5 guard offense, he sticks to the conventional offense, at the expense of a kid who is a fantastic guard. Maybe he doesn't know how to run any other type of offense. I believe that this is a case that the coach really doesn't know how to coach this kid. It is not unusual anymore for a women's college basketball guard to be 6'1" but this coach stereotype's her as a post player.

Just my thoughts.

 

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Is it really the job of a high school coach to develop kids for the next level? I mean, a good high school coach should help facilitate some of their players going on to play in college ... but do we expect a varsity coach to potentially sub-optimize the success of his or her team so that one individual on the team can play the position he or she might play in college?

 

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It is the job of the high school coach to do what's in the best interest of the team and program not the individual. Sure you work with build and mold the individual talent to be the best they can be, but in the concept of doing it to support and make the team better.

 

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Remember she's not even in High school either.........

 

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How else could we have players verbaled by their freshman year to a PAC-12 school???

A verbal commitment is simply saying you will go to a school before you are allowed to sign a letter of intent. If a kid can talk they can make a verbal commitment.

 

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Is it really the job of a high school coach to develop kids for the next level? I mean, a good high school coach should help facilitate some of their players going on to play in college ... but do we expect a varsity coach to potentially sub-optimize the success of his or her team so that one individual on the team can play the position he or she might play in college?

No, it's not.

The kid is in the 8th grade. She has plenty of time to decide that she doesn't even like basketball and never wants to play it again, or get a job and never play it again, or decide that getting wasted and puking in ther parking lot is a more worthwhile way to spend her time. That's why the idea that a college coach would be seriously recruiting kids this young is so funny to me.

During my son's freshman year he got some very carefully worded letters from a few college coaches, they didn't mention their team or their accomplishments at all. He also got a few just from schools with decent wrestling programs that didn't mention their wrestling teams at all. He is not getting recruited by those schools. There is a big difference between a school saying "hey, just so you know, we are here, doing things" and recruiting.

Also, d3 is pretty much a free for all. I don't think any of the rules that apply to d1 and d2 schools apply to them because there is no athletic money to give.

 

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and have the kid call them. It happens all the time.

I'll bet those are interesting conversations.....

Mike Candrea: I have won 8 NCAA titles, 2 world championships, and an Olympic gold medal. So how would you feel about playing for me at the University of Arizona?

10 year old kid: I like dinosaurs and starbursts!!!

Mike Candrea: You are a perfect fit for my team.

10 year old kid: Santa Claus brought me a Barbie doll!!!!!

 

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A verbal commitment is simply saying you will go to a school before you are allowed to sign a letter of intent. If a kid can talk they can make a verbal commitment.

Why does the word "rhetorical" keep playing in my head..

 

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I'll bet those are interesting conversations.....

Mike Candrea: I have won 8 NCAA titles, 2 world championships, and an Olympic gold medal. So how would you feel about playing for me at the University of Arizona?

10 year old kid: I like dinosaurs and starbursts!!!

Mike Candrea: You are a perfect fit for my team.

10 year old kid: Santa Claus brought me a Barbie doll!!!!!

Mike Candrea: I like your potential..
12-14 year old: thank you coach, I love Arizona and everything you have accomplished...
Mike Candrea: you keep working hard and we will stay in touch...
12-14 year old: that would be my dream come true...

 

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We seem to be off topic, or at least in a side-bar. According to this article major college basketball coaches "offered a scholarship" to a young girl starting at age 11. I wonder what the AD's at these schools would say about this. I wonder what compliance office would say. Did the journalist contact any of these coaches and verify these stories told by the mother?

OSU's women's basketball coach will most likely not be around by the time this girl picks a college. They are 7-6 and the big ten season is yet to start. With losses to Bowling Green and Cincinnati the coach should have a full plate worring about this year and next. Five years down the road may be too late.

 

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We seem to be off topic, or at least in a side-bar. According to this article major college basketball coaches "offered a scholarship" to a young girl starting at age 11. I wonder what the AD's at these schools would say about this. I wonder what compliance office would say. Did the journalist contact any of these coaches and verify these stories told by the mother?

OSU's women's basketball coach will most likely not be around by the time this girl picks a college. They are 7-6 and the big ten season is yet to start. With losses to Bowling Green and Cincinnati the coach should have a full plate worring about this year and next. Five years down the road may be too late.

Gotta plan ahead. offer is only VERBAL , but always good to have foot in the door.

 

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Im responding way too much to this thread...need to stop workng

 

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Mike Candrea: I like your potential..
12-14 year old: thank you coach, I love Arizona and everything you have accomplished...
Mike Candrea: you keep working hard and we will stay in touch...
12-14 year old: that would be my dream come true...

[video=youtube_share;BvTNyKIGXiI]http://youtu.be/BvTNyKIGXiI?t=11s[/video]

 

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[video=youtube_share;BvTNyKIGXiI]http://youtu.be/BvTNyKIGXiI?t=11s[/video]

I don't get it? Although, only few kids get this type of treatment at this age. It is REAL. Your interpretation of your 10 year old has no chance of getting an offer obviously. Of course if that was you in the youtube I understand why your 10 year old answered questions in that manner.

GET REAL.....

 

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Top colleges seek 13-year-old basketball standout | The Columbus Dispatch


So here's the URL. I read it, watched the video, and it seems like this kid has her head on straight. In the article it states that she plays AAU and does so as a guard several age groups up. It also states that SHE is reluctant to transfer.
It's EIGHTH GRADE SCHOOL BALL. Let her coach put her at the post, learn how to box out, rebound and post up. She will need those skills anyways as a 6'1" guard in college.

 

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Here's how I look at it...major D1 scouts (and coaches) see her as a Guard and one would think they are probably have a better pedigree than a middle and high school coach when it comes to evaluating talent. She plays Guard with her AAU team (who hopefully is a higher caliber coach than the middle school coach). If she has the skills to play guard and is probably the best player on your team...then put her at that position. D1 schools wouldn't be interested in her at this age if she was not a good player. By moving her to guard, is that going to hurt your team...I doubt it.

We deal with elite kids all the time and if they are a better player at say, short stop, and are being scouted by D1 schools for that position...do we play her at left field...no we play her at short stop because if we didn't she would leave and go play for another team that would love to have her at short stop. It would be our loss as a team to loose such as good player. Plus as a parent who sees an awesome opportunity for your kid to get a full ride to a top tier school....you are going to look out for her best interest as I know I would.

 

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@lewam3 - Thanks for the link.

The article says she "is expected to reach 6-feet-4 in coming years." I doubt she will be playing guard in college unless she is the next Magic Johnson.

I find it ironic that they transferred back to the school for where they live.

 

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We seem to be off topic, or at least in a side-bar. According to this article major college basketball coaches "offered a scholarship" to a young girl starting at age 11. I wonder what the AD's at these schools would say about this. I wonder what compliance office would say. Did the journalist contact any of these coaches and verify these stories told by the mother?

OSU's women's basketball coach will most likely not be around by the time this girl picks a college. They are 7-6 and the big ten season is yet to start. With losses to Bowling Green and Cincinnati the coach should have a full plate worring about this year and next. Five years down the road may be too late.

prexyfan ... "offered a scholarship" at the age being discussed is a verbal. Neither the school's AD, the NCAA, or anyone else would likely have anything to say about it. It is a contract that exists between the player and coach only. Nothing is truly offered until the NLI is signed.

 

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Story time.

My kid's team played in a fall "showcase." There was a kid on another team, her dad likes to tell these kinds of tall tales. Every college coach has been recruiting his kid for years. She's 12 or 13 now.

I don't know the guy but a lot of the parents who have kids on our team do. The story was that a lot of D1 coaches were coming there to watch her. Then a lot became a few. Then a few became 1. But yeah, that 1 would definately be there. I was happy. I figured that when this coach wasn't even seen standing up by the fence during one of their games I wouldn't have to hear about it anymore. There were a couple of games played on Friday night, not very many though. On Saturday morning the kid's dad told everyone about how that coach came out on friday night and clocked her whilst she pitched to him on a bucket, said something like "I've seen EVERYTHING that I need to see", gave him 2 tickets to their next home football game, and then split.

You wouldn't believe how many people, all of them adults, believed that.

I don't know this family personally, my DD does not play for this team or in this organization. I know what kid you are talking about. DD's team wad not playing in this showcase, but we live locally, so decided to go watch some games and catch up with friends. I can tell you objectively and with 100% certainty, said college coach did watch this kid pitch to her dad along the fence. I stood there and watched because I was curious about whether the rumors were true or not. Yes, the college coach watched the 13 year old pitch. Anything that happened or was said, I have no idea.

 

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A verbal commitment is simply saying you will go to a school before you are allowed to sign a letter of intent. If a kid can talk they can make a verbal commitment.

Wrong, you verbally commit to an OFFER from a college coach. Verbally committing is not just anybody saying "I verbally commit to _____". To be verbally committed you are committing to an offer to join the team upon graduation (usually with some sort of scholarship agreement of some kid).

I think you have some fuzzy understanding of what actually goes on in the recruiting process. I can tell you definitively that there are 14 year olds verbally committing to big DI schools for full rides on a consistent basis across the country. It's a small percentage of them. But it is happening regularly.

And by the way, the story about the 13 year old at a fall showcase getting clocked by the college coach is 100% true.