Hitting and Hitters Discussion Hitting question   and other misc.

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this is a question about a baseball swing but I do not see a lot of difference in the fundamentals for a softball swing and a baseball swing. Here is the situation

there is a boy on my son's travel team. Struggling to hit the ball, has no confidence in his hitting. He is always saying that he sucks and can't hit the ball. some of this is for show to get sympathy from others. This player is a only child and dad is always on him. This boy also looks at his dad after every pitch and every throw and every pitch. Fear of making a mistake and wants to please his dad. His dad has been head coach for the past two years after i stepped down. The dad asked me my opinion on the team after a recent loss, I told him that he is to negative with the boys and hollars to much. I suggested any corrections of coaching should be done one on one as they come off the field. So much for the introduction.

this dad ask me to get the boys started with warm up and throwing because he was going to be late to the game. I did that. the boys hated it because there was organization and discipline. Usually they go out on their own stand and act like they are stretching and clown around. I also took them through a 4 step throwing sequel to help them get loose.

the hitting part

the son (let me see if i can make a go picture in your minds) is right handed. as the pitch approaches his first movement is to load his next movement is to open his hips way open. his bellybutton is pointing to left field. next his hands come through the zone with the barrel of the bat trailing behind. His hands are through the zone and the bat is trailing behind. As he is cocking (or opening his hips) he is also jumping at the ball.

Here is what i suggested to him after he loads I told him to take (throw) his hands to the ball. I told him him to get the bat going through the zone after he takes his hands to the ball. When I was growing up (I know things have changed some since then) I was taught that as your bat is through the zone you should almost have a staight line from your shoulder through your hands to the end of the bat. I also told him that this would take a long time to change. After the game, my two sons on the team informed me that the dad (head coach) told the son to forget everything I said and go back to his way of hitting. The only problem is that he is not hitting. He probably has a 1/2 strike out ratio (i am guessing on this)

What burns me is that the coach asked me to get them going and then tells his son not to listen.

I know there are many ideas out there on hitting. What my work for my son my not work for others. I always taught that the bellybutton will basically lead the way to where the ball is going. Meaning that if it is an outside pitch the the bellybutton is pointing to the opposite field, down the middle bb is pointing to center on contact and inside pointing to that field on the pitch. I use this when boys or girls open their hips to much on the swing.

I guess i would like suggestions on how to help this boy or if my ideas are way off.

Thanks
 
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Broncho

You could read past posts by Howard and Ifubuildit and they talk about allot of things to start the swing.

Howard has posted info on a slow load to a soft step. Hands seperate on the way to toe touch.

The hand path from RVP an "H" is straight back and straight forward. Not wrapped around the back in anyway to give you a bad start.

If the hands are hidden around the corner, the only way to fire is out, which will give you a circular bat swing. Short through the ball.

Going to toe touch with a closed front foot - will keep the hips closed.


A good start would be. Spread the feet, get balanced, try to get some seperation of hands straight back at toe touch, plant the front heal and swing away.

There is allot more to it, other hitting coach's could chime in on, but this start with a good base, will help with what the kid is currently doing.



Good Luck!

Straightleg
 
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Bronco,

You might be a bit behind in your teaching but that doesnt mean you cannot learn a better method of hitting. I would suggest you start by doing some study on your own on the web. There are a number of places to learn. Google the following names. Englishbey, Peavy, Nyman, Epstein, Lau Jr, Yeager and Mankin. Then try Slaught, Candrea, and Enquist. (Yeah I know. Name Dropper) ::)

Either Howard or I can give you advise but you need to develop a foundation of understanding for what your wanting to accomplish. What your doing today may not be in tune with what the best in the world are doing with their swing. Taking the hands to the ball and using cues to teach hitting mechanics are not something I would recommend. Getting your child to hit like some of these people male or female would be a good place to start.

http://www.imageevent.com/siggy/hitting

Check out the analysis section and some of the swings. If you want to contact me I can be emailed at FPacceleration@aol.com

Elliott
 
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Oh, and one other thing. A trip to Howard would be well worth your time and effort.

Elliott.
 
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And last but not least. A trip to me in Texas with todays gas prices.

Priceless. ;D

Elliott
 
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Broncho:

It sounds like the father is the one with the problem.

1. No father who's son strikes out half the time should be coaching a travel team. The fact that he is coaching indicates to me that he felt he had to take control of the team in order to guarantee that his son would get a uniform. How can his motivations for anything involving the team and its players be trusted when his motivation for coaching in the first place is, at best, dishonest?

2. Parents who can recognize and accept the fact that their children are NOT athletes can do those children a great service by getting them involved in something at which they are more likely to succeed. Most people enjoy doing things they do well. Very few people enjoy doing things at which they consistently fail.

3. All the lessons and all the videos in the world can't turn a non-athlete into an athlete.

4. MOST IMPORTANT: If it looks like that coach will continue to control the team as it rises through the age ranks, then take your son to another team. The early years are where the kids form habits-- good and bad. If you've got a knucklehead running the program, you can bet your son will develop more bad habits than good--- not to mention being riduculed when he should be being coached.
 
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Played out I agree to some extent!

Some kids are not athletes now this doesnt mean that the shouldnt be allowed to play sports, just they should get in where they fit in. Most parents have their vision impaired sometimes when evaluating talent.

The good kids in sports all start out as athletes and then there skills are developed from there.
Bottom line you cant turn a MULE into A THROUGHBREAD!
 
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I don't have enough (any until this one) posts to PM Howard, but would like to contact him. Howard, if you read this would you be willing to let me know how I can contact you? I help coach a 12U rec team that recently became a tournament only team because we weren't getting better playing rec ball against the competition available. Now, our girls are starting to get frustrated and most if not all of them desire more/better teaching. What I have been doing obviously is no longer working. I want nothing more than to give these girls the information they need to be the best they can and give them best chance to be successful.

Thanks - Chris
 
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Search for his posts using the engine available on OFC and then you can read not only what Howard has to say but others as well and then you can pm with specific questions to gain more knowledge.
 
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bh2424gh said:
Search for his posts using the engine available on OFC and then you can read not only what Howard has to say but others as well and then you can pm with specific questions to gain more knowledge.

I did search for his posts and have read a lot of his and others thoughts on hitting. I just picked his most recent post to respond to since I could not PM him without posting 3 times. This post makes number 2 ;D

I'm not a fan of cluttering the board with wasted posts so that I can PM him, but hopefully with just one more meaningless post I can!

Thanks for your reply. I appreciate the assistance.
 
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Oh, there is plenty of meaningless posting going on. Don't be afraid to join the party. ;)
 
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cshilt said:
Oh, there is plenty of meaningless posting going on. Don't be afraid to join the party. ;)

;) That could be the reason I chose to post in this thread rather than another thread regarding hitting. That other thread sure provides entertainment though!
 

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