Spin on the "quitter" story. Is DW right or wrong?

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All right heres one: DD(pitcher) subs for a number of games for a team. Original pitcher for team is seriously struggling and the pitching coach for the team is her "daddy" and refuses to pull her. DD sits the bench two games in a row while orginal team pitcher struggles. They lose 2 games in a row by consideral amounts. At beginning of third game they say they are starting original pitcher. DW has seen enough goes to assistant and says "obviously you dont need her so we are going home". This is before game starts and she is removed from the lineup. Is DW right or wrong your opinions?
 
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We would need more information......

When team approached potential Sub pitcher, how much time on the mound did they say she would get? Or was it basically a back-up plan in case of injury or over-used arm?

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Not a real situation just for opinion.... But lets say for the sake of argument that they tell her that she is back up pitcher. Does it matter if original pitcher lets 7 runs go in an inning??? Each game???? Seems to me if original pitcher is walking batters, hitting batters and giving up alot of runs that "daddy" pitching coach should make a decision...don't you?
 
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CJT- My comment is limited to this: I don't think it would be a good idea just to leave in the middle of a tournament- even if it is before the game and my reasoning is that it shows the dd that if you don't agree with the coaches decision (even if it is a bad decision) that its okay to just leave (quit). Again, IMHO, after the tournament ended, and IF dd was just a 'guest' pitcher (i.e. a sub), then I would let the coach know that dd will not be returning and leave it at that...if the coached ASKED why, then I would politely- and NOT in front of my dd- let the coach know my thoughts....I think it is important to teach a dd to respect the coach and the team and I would never pull my kid in a middle of a tournament.
 
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I would agree with Fanandfun on this. If DD agreed to go to the tournament, then she should stay for the entire tournament. As a past coach, though, I always believed "guest" players should get playing time. A team asked them to be their because of a perceived need. That player could have been doing something else that weekend, they should get opportunities to play.
 
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I would agree with Fanandfun on this. If DD agreed to go to the tournament, then she should stay for the entire tournament. As a past coach, though, I always believed "guest" players should get playing time. A team asked them to be their because of a perceived need. That player could have been doing something else that weekend, they should get opportunities to play.

That is my preception that if a coach asks a player to come then when she is really needed she should play
 
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All right heres one: DD(pitcher) subs for a number of games for a team. Original pitcher for team is seriously struggling and the pitching coach for the team is her "daddy" and refuses to pull her. DD sits the bench two games in a row while orginal team pitcher struggles. They lose 2 games in a row by consideral amounts. At beginning of third game they say they are starting original pitcher. DW has seen enough goes to assistant and says "obviously you dont need her so we are going home". This is before game starts and she is removed from the lineup. Is DW right or wrong your opinions?


Who asked her to play in the first place, the assistant or head coach? If it was the head coach , he needs to get a handle on the situation and daddy assistant and make the switch for the good of the team. Afterall, he obviously knew there was going to be a need for another pitcher, why not use her?
 
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Some similar "real life" scenarios from my coaching career--Coaching the travel rec team, lose 2 girls to injury, and two to vacation, the week we are to play six games. I bring three girls "up" to play, 2 of whom were better than over 1/2 the team. This made me move some girls around, and so after the week, I was confronted by parents because "I had given their daughters positions away." I just wanted to have 11 girls, field the most competitive I could, and hopefully win and help the girls learn the game. I told them the director had told me not to forfiet the games, and that the program was better in the long run if all the girls were involved. Fast forward about 8 months--put together a bb team, and needed two players due to vacations. Pick up the best player from our other rec team, point guard, and actually make the semi's. First time we had won more than one tourney game all year(great big girls, no guards). People I had known for 15 years were screaming at me because thier kids hadn't got enough playing time. Threre was also a lot of political stuff going on the side, won't bore you here. My very-long-winded way of saying--if you go to a tourney, you need to try the best you can to win. And if that means you bench your DD so the guest pitcher you brought can try to win the game, then DO IT. And if you are the guest, then finish what you started. People talk, and I guarantee as many people will think the guest is a whining quitter as think the coach is blinded by his DD's "briliance."
 
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BUT - in most cases - finish the tournament regardless. Life lessons.
 
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Even though I have serious questions about her fantasy Football skills, I agree with Fanandfun. Unless your DD is in danger physically or mentally its bad form to leave in the middle of a tournament, even though many of us have felt that urge LOL
 
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Even though I have serious questions about her fantasy Football skills, I agree with Fanandfun. Unless your DD is in danger physically or mentally its bad form to leave in the middle of a tournament, even though many of us have felt that urge LOL

:lmao:I'm sure my secretary is wondering why I just started laughing outloud!
 
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Yea, you sign on for a tournament, you stick it through. Same with signing on or committing to a team. Once you do it you stick it out for the year. I think as a parent you look for a good coach in a good organization. When you find that you turn your kid over for the year and be a good spectator
 
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I feel in a situation like this ALL parties have fault and each one a different excuse why they chose thier actions.


1. My first thought is.... where is the head coach and why is he letting the pitching coach make the calls on who comes out or goes in? 7 runs in an inning??? Time for a pitching change point blank. Even if it were my DD and I was head coach she would come out an she knows it.

2. Pitching coach... We all hope wish pray and everything else that our DD will shine on the mound sometimes it just don't happen and we all have had those days where our lil angel just isn't who she really is and have to make a hard decision. Do it for the team!

3. Player has the most confusing situation....she wants to play. there to play. shes not playing but hoping she will. Sits helplessly feeling she could help but feels like the coaches dont believe in her. Then mom says lets go:eek:

4. Mom.... I cant speak for all you moms but have seen the daughter mom bond like concrete. That has to be set aside just like a "daddy" has too when he is coaching. Once they step on the field they have to pretend not to be related. I feel mom should of waited and seen what happened but mix in losing and the whole situation I bet it would be very diffucult.
 
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As a pitching coach how can you allow your pitcher let alone your dd stand on the bar inning after inning and get clubbed. There is a point where you have to do a mercy change. No matter how good your pitcher is there is a point when another team has her number, and it is better to run away and pitch again another day. In a father dd situation it is a true test of the fathers/coaches integrity to make the right call, it is about the team not the girl.
 
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In a father dd situation it is a true test of the fathers/coaches integrity to make the right call, it is about the team not the girl.
that applies to every position and spot in the batting order:D
 
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Never quit during a game, or try to never quit because every issue can be resolved. If you are a pick up, then quit getting picked up and find somewhere else to play. We were on a team and part of an organization that fully supported quitters, even the top dog of the Organizations daughter quit, so he black balled the coach's causing the entire existing team to leave. He then created his own team for his dd to get to start and play. I thank them to this day for making me open my eyes and get out in the real travel ball world, and quit being a loyalist to the hometown. Daddy Ball is the root of all evil, but without it would we have as much to talk about? lmao

I wonder who copied this and edited it for a reference instead of using my name?

Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing! HMMMMMMMMM Who Said That?
(by the way i say it and mean it, cant think of any other reason to play the game, unless you just want to play rec ball or give your kid something to do! if the post above bother's ya, then good, but thanks for inviting us out we needed to know there were so many opportunitites out there, THANKS AGAIN for kicking us out!!)
 

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