ACL Injuries - Who has had one

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My youngest daughter who is a freshman, who won the 100 meter ohio state championships as an 8th grader just tore her ACL in basketball practice a few days ago. Had the MRI and found out today.

Surgery and 6 months of rehab. :mad:


They said they were going to take part of her hamstring and reattach it.


Anyone know about this operation, or have been through it.



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I feel for you, We lost one of the best catchers i have ever seen play last year, same thing and same sport. She is a super star futbol goalie and fastpitch catcher. Why, at all of 5'4" did she feel the need to play basketball as a sophmore............dumb,dumb,dumb.

heres some addvice for the OFC girls: Girls if your not 6'+ then forget basketball or volleyball, you wont play it in college.
 
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I blew my ACL playing intramural b-ball at UC in 1988. I had it repaired with the hamstring tendon, rather than the patellar tendon. I was told at the time that rehab was quicker using hamstring. Dr Colosimo, who works with the Bengals, UC, etc, did my surgey and I did my rehab at NovaCare. Three days surgery, I was riding a stationary bike, albeit very gently, at my first rehab session. After rehab, I was told that I no longer had to wear any additional brace on my knee.

Best of luck to your daughter and I hope she has a quick recovery!!
 
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She is 5'9 and can jump is why they want her on the court.


Her doctor is Kenter. She also will go to nova care for recovery. Her surgery is at the end of Janurary.



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My youngest daughter who is a freshman, who won the 100 meter ohio state championships as an 8th grader just tore her ACL in basketball practice a few days ago. Had the MRI and found out today.

Surgery and 6 months of rehab. :mad:


They said they were going to take part of her hamstring and reattach it.


Anyone know about this operation, or have been through it.



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Wooow! Good luck with that. We may have had one blow an ACL in agility the other night... waiting for the Dr's visit to confirm or give the good news its something else
 
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I tore mine on a ski slope in Colorado. It was torn completely off so they just reattached it. Believe it was Colosimo too. She must have a rip. I think it is hard for them to repair a torn ligament, hard to sew ragged edges together. Had to wear a cast from my hip to my ankle for 6 weeks. Leg was the size of a toothpick when cast came off. I did one day of rehab and said screw that. Walked a lot of stairs but it took awhile to recover. It's a bummer because it take so long to recover. Good Luck. Tell her to hang in there and it will soon be over.
 
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I had my left ACL replaced back in 2007. It was really not a bad surgury. Recover takes time and do what the Doctors say. I felt better and wanted to do more then the doctors said to do. I was walking around with no help around 4 weeks. Had it done in December and by April-May I really was about 100%. Just listen to the doctors no matter how good you feel.
 
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My pitcher in college blew hers out and the recovery was really hard, but she worked her way back. It is really tough, but if she works hard and listens to her therapists, she can come back just as strong. Good luck and don't give up.
 
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http://www.aclprevent.com/pep_replacement.htm

Please explore this web site and look to the left side for details.

Look at it carefully as it could help you and your daughters no matter what sport they are playing!

Look at their data and you should keep this thread going as most of these girls are an accident waiting to happen because they do not know how to flex their knees for throwing or hitting!

Make sure whoever they are working with in their other sport understands how they are warming up and conditioning! Copy off the PEP program and hand it to them. Actually ask to observe the workouts and compare notes on what they are doing verses what is recommended and you may find some dis parody as to information.

Then Google Children's Hospital Cincinnati Sports Med. ACL injuries and Children's Hospital Atlanta Sport Med. ACL injuries...when they show a 41% reduction in ACL injuries that is something worth reading!

Howard
 
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She is 5'9 and can jump is why they want her on the court.


Her doctor is Kenter. She also will go to nova care for recovery. Her surgery is at the end of Janurary.



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still to short unless she is in 8th grade or younger
 
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I feel for you, We lost one of the best catchers i have ever seen play last year, same thing and same sport. She is a super star futbol goalie and fastpitch catcher. Why, at all of 5'4" did she feel the need to play basketball as a sophmore............dumb,dumb,dumb.

heres some addvice for the OFC girls: Girls if your not 6'+ then forget basketball or volleyball, you wont play it in college.


My sister is 5'3" tall and she got offered scholarships to 4 big name basketball colleges, including Penn State. It isn't your size that matters, it is what you can do with the ball. Basketball is a great sport for conditioning and keeping in shape. I always encourage my players to play all the sports they can, as long as they can keep their grades up. A well rounded athlete is more saught after than a one dimensional athlete.
 
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I did take her to an agility trainer and they worked on correct jumping and running.

It just happened.

Probably better it happened her freshman year verses her senior year.

Just have to keep her up/will be a long recovery


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Many years ago in high school football I tore all three ligaments in my knee and detached part of my quads from the knee cap. It was a long road back but I understand that surgeries have gotten alot better since then. Best of luck on the recovery. The worst part is the mental part of having to sit out while your teammates are playing.
 
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It blows my mind what they can do now. An ACL used to mean you were "DONE" back in the 1970's, maybe even 1980's ... or at least a serious question makrk with 18-24 month recovery if I remember correctly ... even for professionals with the latest and greatest medical, rehab & training protocols.

Now, it seems like 5-8 months and good as new! We had a very good fastpitch player blow her ACL doing suicides in Volleyball conditioning in the fall of 2008, and she was on the field in spring of 2009, no problem (but she wasn't a "speed" player either).

A good buddy of mine (former HS 100 meter champ from Indiana) who I play softball with had an ACL surgery a few years back. They used a portion of his hamstring also. His knee was fine after 6 months, but his hamstring has been a mess, and the limiting factor for him - he is 40+ now though, so that may have something to do with the recovery!! He suggested using "cadaver" tissue ... don't know if that is an option for you??

Regarding basketball, my dd is 5'7" and can shoot the lights out from the arc, and will hit you in the side of the face with a pass from cross court on the run if you are not looking .... we have been getting letters from people who like that about her :) ... let them play, let them develop, and have fun. No guarantees of anything, except that you are young ... JUST ONCE. It was hard enough getting her down to just "TWO" sports!!

Girls do seem a lot more vulnerable to knee injuries though, and it seems like male coaches who apply male training methods to girls have more of these injuries occur ... they are built differently, with different leverage points and therefore pressure/force distributions. Thankfully, these understandings are developing, but there are some unnecessary heartbreaks & tragedies in the meantime.

I cry like a baby when I roll an ankle and know that I am "down" for 2 weeks. I think the mental part of an injury can be worse that the physical sometimes, for some. Good luck to her!!!!
 
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"Girls do seem a lot more vulnerable to knee injuries though, and it seems like male coaches who apply male training methods to girls have more of these injuries occur ... they are built differently, with different leverage points and therefore pressure/force distributions. Thankfully, these understandings are developing, but there are some unnecessary heartbreaks & tragedies in the meantime." pickledad

Now if you want a slam dunk go to the web site I provided a link for so you can educate yourself and help your daughters and talk to others about it.

When you see a 41% reduction in ACL related injuries and a free program copy it and hand it to her coach or coaches. When I hear a coach tell a girl stand taller in the batters box, it is the first clue they have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about in my opinion as they can not get balanced that way because of their spine being more erect than a male spine which is tilted forward.

This has been touched on before however it soon fades away as many think this can not happen to my daughter! Gerrys daughter is strong, quick, fast....I wonder what the basket ball coach knows about the PEP program or how the jump shot can over stress the knees especially on females if they do not land correctly. Google Laura Ramus a WNBA trainer and she what she has to say.

Howard
 
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I feel for you, We lost one of the best catchers i have ever seen play last year, same thing and same sport. She is a super star futbol goalie and fastpitch catcher. Why, at all of 5'4" did she feel the need to play basketball as a sophmore............dumb,dumb,dumb.

heres some addvice for the OFC girls: Girls if your not 6'+ then forget basketball or volleyball, you wont play it in college.

Uh.......... better check again. Take a look at OSU's roster. 9 of 14 players UNDER 6'. 3 are under 5' 8".

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&SPID=10422&SPSID=87814
 
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well, my ACL wasn't tore, but my PCL was torn to the point of complete seperation. Did that 17 yrs ago, It wasn't as common and I refused surgery. I watch my sprinting and wear a brace when I need to. I can tell when I do leg extensions on a machine, the knee wants to "drop". I don't allow my dd's to do anythin that may cripple them, like a trampoline. Am I being over-protective, yes. But, I've seen too many injuries because of them things.
 
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still to short unless she is in 8th grade or younger

Hey she's still a kid. Some people (believe it or not) like to play a sport for fun regardless of opportunity to play in college. I woudn't dream of stopping my girls from playing if they enjoy the game. With their genes, I'm pretty sure they will always be short.

ACL issues are not specific to basketball. I saw a hot shot JV pitcher blow her ACL simply by running to first base. She hit the bag funny and that was all it took. She was actually mowing us down too. Unfortunately (for them), they had no back up pitchers and our team rallied and pulled out the win.

At any rate, I'm going with Howard on the education concept.
 
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Hey she's still a kid. Some people (believe it or not) like to play a sport for fun regardless of opportunity to play in college. I woudn't dream of stopping my girls from playing if they enjoy the game. With their genes, I'm pretty sure they will always be short.

ACL issues are not specific to basketball. I saw a hot shot JV pitcher blow her ACL simply by running to first base. She hit the bag funny and that was all it took. She was actually mowing us down too. Unfortunately (for them), they had no back up pitchers and our team rallied and pulled out the win.

At any rate, I'm going with Howard on the education concept.

At a clinic when I first met Jenny Topping, she told the parents if I would have had the information Howard and Crystl just presented it may have prevented an additional ACL surgery. Laura Berg then told her story that her and Catlin Lowe where playing tag warming up as usual and she went one way and heard it snap just like it did when she had torn it before rounding first base. Crystl fought a hamstring issue and had had ACL surgery and lower back pain until she hooked up with a trainer who understood what she needed to work on and the issue went away after she learned the routine.

When I first work with a hitter I soft toss them three balls, in, middle and away. If I do not see a weight shift and the weight is going over the front leg (some hitting coaches actually teach this) I will make a prediction she probably does not throw well either. I have never been wrong with a girl! I whispered to a mother what to look for at the Hawks Clinic and she gasped in disbelief! How could you know that as you have never seen her throw before! The sad part is she was 15 years old and no one had ever taught her how to throw correctly yet! When I ask her if her elbow hurt and shoulder after a double header, she looked at her Mom and said did you tell him that? I ask if her lower back was hurting and her hamstrings? All the time!

Using the data from the CDC study if they reduced injuries related to the ACL in basketball and ****** by 41%, then I guess you could say you have a 59% chance of it not happening to your daughter!

Google female ACL injuries and set back for a couple hours and enlighten yourself and then start asking why x five until you get an answer?

I recently did a mini clinic for a team where there was a 16 year old boy receiving pitching instruction and we were waiting for them to finish. The mechanics were incorrect in my opinion and one of my girls came over and said, "I bet I throw as hard or harder than he does!" I ask the dad how hard he throws and he said 65 to 70 MPH. She was correct and is a year younger than the boy.

I would love to see what you discover and post on this topic and then see it moved to the coaches corner for history so others may learn from it.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/phys-ed-preventing-acl-injuries-in-girls/

Second, girls sustained a greater proportion of
severe knee injuries, which was reported previously.17 The
most notable difference in the proportion of severe knee
injuries was in softball (30.7%) compared with baseball
(3.0%). (Doesn't this make you wonder why?)
Third, girls sustained a greater proportion of
severe injuries from ligament sprains. As connective
tissue injuries have been previously shown to make up
the majority of knee injury diagnoses,17 the prevalence of
ligament sprains and severe knee injuries among female
high school athletes are likely related. Overall, we found
more than one quarter (28.3%) of severe injuries required
surgery, with the majority resulting from knee injuries.
This is consistent with Powell’s findings in 7 of 10 high
school sports.16 Preventive measures, such as special
conditioning programs, bracing, and rehabilitation, should
be evaluated in future studies for their effectiveness in
preventing severe knee injuries.



Thanks Howard
 
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Hey she's still a kid. Some people (believe it or not) like to play a sport for fun regardless of opportunity to play in college.




She loves basketball so I would not stop her from playing.

She grew 7-8 inches in 2 1/2 years and i think that also had something to do with it.

I mark there height in the garage and I was shocked to see growth spirts like that.




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