Need opinions about having just a Varsity or V and JV???

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• Feb 25, 2011

• #41

I am baffled as to the logic that is associated with this decision. 20 is way to many to carry if you are only going to play one game. I am curious as to what the conversation between your head coach and his opponents might sound like when he is trying to get the other Varsity to stick around and play a few more innings. We would be sending our JV team somewhere to try to get in JV games and certainly wouldn't be looking for more innings of our varsity pitchers in the middle of the season.

We have pulled our second pitcher into to a few JV games in order to get her some work when the starter is on a roll but most of the time the JV has to take care of themselves. Remember that you will be playing other JV teams that have had all of their really good players moved to the Varsity team. The JV teams are all in the same boat.

Keep 24 - 28 and let the newbies play.

 

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• Feb 25, 2011

• #42

Many of us here are also baffled by this decision. I guess he added last night at practice that he would be naming a varsity team and then everyone else can practice with the team to improve themselves for next year. I was personally told that he was going to try to play some JV games/scrimmages with them so I don't know what is going on. It is constantly changing and we only get info from the girls - nothing directly to parents. I coached with him during MS so I just asked him how he thought he could keep 22.

One would think that they would improve more IF they played 26 JV games during the season opposed to just practicing with the Varsity.......which brings up another problem how the heck do you practice with 22 girls and 2 coaches!!!!!

Argh!!!!!!

 

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• Feb 25, 2011

• #43

This decision has got to be more about the coaching staff allocation than it is about the girls.

If they had a JV team then the 2nd coach would have to take that team should they not be at the same field playing back to back. If the JV was either at another site or playing a parallel game the V coach would either have to coach by himself, use a player(s) or bring in a 'volunteer'. If he is new at this Game, he might be relying on the second coach to cover for him and his insecurities.

Carrying 24 girls on two teams puts the 24th kid only 5 spots off of walking onto a field on any given day. Carrying 22 kids on one team means that the 22nd kid is 13 spots from getting into a game. That is not going to happen. Why should she bust her butt for a shot at playing next year. Spring track is looking better and better.

This looks like a great way to kill-off a program that has some potential.

 

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• Feb 25, 2011

• #44

Has anyone asked the coach what the reasoning is? Is there a shortage of coaching staff for JV? Could a few parents step up and volunteer to be team managers for JV?

Any time you have that kind of numbers come out it's a crying shame to not pull out all the stops and do something to "make it happen" for the kids. Passing judgement also isn't really fair to the coach until you truly find out why.

 

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• Feb 25, 2011

• #45

Bulldogcoach, Cowgirl up and be the JV coach!!!!

 

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• Feb 25, 2011

• #46

A few years back, we fielded a varsity team with 10 players and a jv team with 9. We only ran into a problem when a couple of girls went on a family vacation during spring break. Other than that we never cancelled a game. One thing we didn't have to worry about was playing time!!!

Unfortunately last year we graduated 7 girls and only picked up one freshman. No matter how you do the math, that ain't good. This year looks much better.

 

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• Feb 26, 2011

• #47

I dont see how you can have a varsiy team that is worth anything if you dont have JV to build skills and get reps. So they all come to varsity and dont know what they are doing? Has to be coach and cash shortage...otherwise he is an idiot and doesnt deserve it anyway.

 

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• Mar 1, 2011

• #48

go4fpsb - I would coach but that would be taking the number 2 pitcher from the varsity which I'm sure is why the topic hasn't come up and I wanted to be a spectator this HS ball <not sure about next year though >. There are plenty of other people who would coach the JV. There was actually another guy who applied for the V who has been assisting the team for the last few years. He could and probably would do it. There are also some former "dad" coaches that could do as well.

Fairman - he is not new to this at all. He has ran the MS (independent) league for several years and both of his daughter's have been in travel ball for years. So it makes it even more baffling as to why he would want to do this.

Its going to be crazy. He told the girls last week that all "open" gyms and conditioning was mandatory and attendance would be used to determine who makes it. My first response was of course, "he can't do that" and second was "what is he going to do when the stud shows up to the actual tryouts!!!?". Well, it happened on Friday. A girl who has been on the team before showed up! And there are 2 others who are quite good who hasn't been going but sure could show up next week!

Oh one last thing, got an email this morning that said if you brought in donations or sold stuff for the fundraiser.......AND YOU DON'T MAKE THE TEAM......you will receive a free raffle ticket. This seriously cracked me up.

I can't believe this is my current NIGHTMARE!!!

 

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• Mar 1, 2011

• #49

Did you tell him where he can stick his raffle ticket??? :lmao: :lmao:

 

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• Mar 1, 2011

• #50

No Klump, but I know some of the parents who will not only tell him where to put, they'll put there for him!!

I actually haven't even sold anything yet!!! Been busy......trying to figure it all out!!!

 

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• Mar 11, 2011

• #51

Ok, well for those who followed my saga of HS tryouts, the drama is almost over.

Our coach ended up going with just one Varsity team and has kept 16 girls so far - there are 2 more who cannot try out until after spring break due to ch**rleading. WAY TOO MANY!

He choose the "american idol style" of tryouts - 3 former college player panelists (who were rarely there) and then spoke to each player individually and told them they had an attitude problem (the most were told this) and what they needed to fix.....oh and congrats you made the team. Each girl then left the building with their heads down. Parents sitting in the parking lot could only guess who made the team by them carrying a packet of papers with a gold front sheet.

My freshman DD made the team (2nd Pit), but came out basically in tears (its how they all looked) because of the negative comments made by the coach. She stated he basically said she barely made the team. I am not against telling them what to work on, but couldn't there be just positive comments the day you're being told you made the team? She takes criticism so hard anyway, now she believes everyone has been lying to her about her skills as a player. Playing since she was 5 and travel ball for last 5 yrs, she's pretty good, especially compared to "our" new HS team.

Anyway, just wanted to update everyone on my saga. Thanks for listening and providing me with some sanity!

I think it's going to be a long season.

 

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• Mar 11, 2011

• #52

Definitely sounds like it is not starting off on a positive note, sorry to hear that.

You are right unfortunately, it will be a long season.

Good Luck !

 

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• Mar 11, 2011

• #53

I can't believe a coach with 30 kids in the program could remotely think about eliminating JV. Sounds like Coach is lazy and doesn't want to deal with conflict management.

 

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• Mar 11, 2011

• #54

Why couldn't the parents go to a school board meeting and explain what's going on? This is absolutely ridiculous. Most of time the school board doesn't know exactly what's going on until its to late to make a change. I cant see where a coach can build any kind of program when he doesn't want to take the time to make the girls better. I could care less if the J.V. team goes 0-26. If the girls are on the field playing every day, they are going to get better. What's very sad is that the girls that got cut will probably never play softball again and this "so called COACH" will quit after a year or two and not even think about how he has devastated these young teenagers.

I coach a travel team and I get enjoyment out of seeing girls progress throughout the season. The second I put myself first and not the girls its time to step a side and let someone who "cares" about the girls step in. There is always improvement in every girl who takes the field, no matter how great or how awful. It's a shame that some of these girls arent even given a chance to become better and someday help the Varsity team.

 

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• Mar 13, 2011

• #55

Was there a JV coach hired or was the V coach supposed to cover that team also?

 

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• Mar 13, 2011

• #56

Dont just look at the hour glass,...............look thru it

 

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• Mar 13, 2011

• #57

Bulldogcoach, I was just teasing, you have to be there for DD HS career. Hopefully the coach knows what he is doing so you and the DD have a great season. I dropped back to coach the 7th grade team this year as last year's 7th grade coach has a DD moving from 7th to 8th. it is going to be fun having the group I now have for two years. Good luck and keep us informed as to how it plays out.

 

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• Mar 14, 2011

• #58

Glad to hear you're still coaching Mike!

This whole situation has drained me. I don't know if any parents are complaining to anyone of importance, but I've heard all along that the AD is behind him in this decision. There are 16 on the team right now, 2 more to try out after Spring Break.....another drama with that. Girls are upset that he cut 2 who are pretty descent players both JRs and kept a Freshman who is terrible and hasn't played....asked what sliding shorts were. He didn't keep her in order to develop her because there is a large group of travel players coming in next year (girls I've coached for 5 years). So there is no need develop players for the next few years.

I really can't even begin to guess what his intentions are at this point. I've coached with him before and can say that his strong point is teaching basic skills, not coaching a game so I can only imagine how this will go. DD is afraid she will sit the bench, she's a Freshman but obviously in my opinion, quite good!

No JV coach was hired, but there were ppl who would and could do it. He isn't trustworthy of other coaches, afraid they won't teach what he wants the girls to know. Took awhile for him to trust my coaching abilities.

Will keep you all posted.....we have 2 scrimmages next week!

 

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• Mar 14, 2011

• #59

I wonder how the coach will react if/when he sees your post...

 

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• Mar 14, 2011

• #60

I actually am friends with him and would tell him the same things I have said here. We actually coached the MS team together 2 years ago and we split the MS into 2 teams last year because we had so many girls.

I haven't questioned him too much about these things because I am just a "parent" when it comes to this team, but if asked, I would give him my full opinion.

My original post was because I wanted someone else's opinion about not having a JV team. I thought that maybe I was missing a bigger picture, that maybe there was a benefit in not having one. Hopefully he does have some master plan that will work out great and they win all their games!!