Pitching and Pitchers Discussion 10U Strike Zone

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Just curious as to what everyone thinks a 10U strike zone should be. Should they get squeezed like the older girls, should they get a ball off of the edge of the plate, should they get the high or low strike??? Just wondering what the thoughts are out there.

DD is at a tourney and had to basically throw down the middle to get strikes today. Got hit and lost. Oh well. No sour grapes here, believe you me. You have to work the umps zone the best you can but the object is to NOT throw it down the middle.

Can't wait to hear the feeback.
 
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I'm with you Tony. So, lets define what the "zone" should be. Letters to knees?
 
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As far as high - low it should stay the same, but was involved in a 10u game where the ump said she'll call from box to box. Liked the fact, it was said up front. Liked the fact, that it gave the pitcher a little freedom. Far too often it is just the opposite and way too tight.
 
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the zone should be what it is...but the inconsistency I've seen in the zone this year in just four tournaments has been astounding. One game the outside corner is a good six inches off the plate (mind you the umpires was consistent with it all game and I guess that's all you can ask) the next the pitch across the throat is a strike and the next batter gets called out on a ball that would have hit her shoe tops if she were standing on the plate...

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I hear you Al. Just be consistent. That is not too much to ask. But don't SQUEEZE the strike zone at any age for that matter. If you have a girl that can hit her spots, don't be afraid to call it.
 
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Now box to box would be interesting to watch.

It made the game so much nicer to watch. Both starting pitchers were very good. My dd pitches and will hit corners, but has a tough time getting the calls. Plus you figure, this would actually encourage those girls to swing.
 
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When an umpire doesn't call corners, to me, it takes the game out of the girls hands and puts it into the umpires hands. And I do NOT like that at all!
 
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The thing that I have noticed at the 4-5 tournaments I have been at this year is a strike that is called in the 1st inning is not a strike in the 4th or 5th inning when one team is up. It is like the umpire is trying to make the game close or something? Personally for the 10Us I would rather have a wider strike zone to encourage the girls to swing the bat and to work on hitting inside/outside pitches instead of hitting a ball right down the middle. As long as the umpire is consistant for the whole game for both sides though I'm fine with it.

We were in Akron last week and we asked an umpire where a certain pitch was, she said outside your catcher is setting up 4 inches off of the plate. From where we were sitting the catcher wasn't moving her glove and it APPEARED as though our pitcher was hitting her spots so it was VERY nice to hear an umpire give us an answer. Most of the time the umpire says nothing or motions outside/inside and that is it.
 
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I'm glad to hear you had an umpire that would talk to you. The ones we have tried to talk to basically tell us it is his game and leave it to him to call. Problem is, some of them just plain S***! And make the same calls from inning one to the last out. Don't change it just because you want to.
 
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I almost posted in my first reply but will go ahead anyway. When I used to ump rec games and had a 10U game I would open the zone up and told but coaches to have their kids ready to hit. These were developmental pitchers with little speed and nobody likes a walk-fest.

I only re-thought it because in the travel perspective 10U pitchers are trained to work and hit the corners and many can do it very well. Also they have the advantage of only being 35 feet away. So in the travel world I go back to my original statement. Letters to knees and any thing scraping the corners is a strike. I love an ump that calls the shins though - see a lot of them in 10U.

Conversely we tell our hitters with two strikes the strike zone is out the window. If you can reach it you better hit it.
 
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When an umpire doesn't call corners, to me, it takes the game out of the girls hands and puts it into the umpires hands. And I do NOT like that at all!

Exactly, and you never want a pitcher throwing down the middle.
 
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Conversely we tell our hitters with two strikes the strike zone is out the window. If you can reach it you better hit it.

A lot of our girls throw it out the window from pitch one and swing. If they can reach it pitch one, they are swinging. And most of them hitting it hard some where.
 
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A lot of our girls throw it out the window from pitch one and swing. If they can reach it pitch one, they are swinging. And most of them hitting it hard some where.

True. I remember playing you guys. Went 0-2 on your lead-off and called a fastball 6" outside the strike zone. She got a base hit and I asked our catcher if my pitcher hit the spot and she said "yes". Have to make it a foot next time LOL.
 
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That just goes to show you that a lot of 10U girls are able to handle pitches inside and outside. So why not call the corners and see what they can do with a bat in their hands.
 
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This illustration is from the NCAA rule book. This is pretty much what I use in upper-level games with skilled pitchers- with the exception that the top of the ASA/high school strike zone is the armpits (for NCAA it's the sternum, maybe 1/2 a ball width lower than ASA/high school).

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For a lower-level game, with less-skilled pitchers, about the only real adjustment I'll make is at the top of the zone. There, I will allow for the bottom of the ball to nick the top line. I might give the pitchers a little bit (1/2 a ball, or about 2 inches) around the entire perimeter of the zone.

Calling an acceptable zone is skill-level and age dependent. The strike zone described above for younger, less-skilled players works well for them. Try calling that same zone for an upper-level game and they will be ready to lynch you!

Calling a good strike zone is a balancing act. What you're trying to find is the strike zone of least resistance- one that is acceptable to the participants for whatever level of ball you're working. You should be looking for strikes and giving the pitchers a little benefit of the doubt. But you can't be ridiculous about it. Pitches at eye level, around the ankles or a foot outside should never be called strikes. These pitches are, essentially, unhittable and you would be doing the hitters a disservice to call those pitches strikes.

I find that if I use the above illustration as a starting point, then try to be as consistent as possible for both pitchers, throughout the entire game, that I get very few complaints about the strike zone. The strike zone itself is pretty darn big. Most pitches in the zone are so obvious that grandma sitting in the bleachers can see them. It's the borderline pitches, at the fringes of the zone, where most of the controversy will occur. If you can establish some realistic visual boundaries, and consistently stick to them, it goes a long way toward keeping the controversy at a minimum.
 
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Thanks for the illustration Bret. I'm going to show this to my dd the pitcher and see what she says. To us, it looks like she's been pitching on the black, but she's been getting as many ball as strike calls. I just keep telling her to find the umpire's strike zone and hit it.
 
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I hear you Al. Just be consistent. That is not too much to ask. But don't SQUEEZE the strike zone at any age for that matter. If you have a girl that can hit her spots, don't be afraid to call it.

Spoken like a true 10u Pitcher's DAD.... :lmao:
 
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Seems to me - and this is a 12U not a 10U observation - that a lot of umps refuse to call a pitch at the knees a strike. Making it worse, a lot of the same umps will call a pitch at the eyes a strike. Drives me crazy - the belt-line is NOT the bottom of the zone.
 

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