ASA NSA PGF -things that make you say hmmmmmmmmmm........

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No. A restaurant is a business, it can't be mistaken for much else. What does P.G.F. stand for? Premier Girls Fastpitch or sommat like that? It sounds nice. It sounds like good intentions. Seriously.

Honestly I'm ok with someone starting something like the P.G.F. and running it like a business, how about a little honesty though? How about a name like P.A.Y.D.A.Y.? I'm not sure how to make that sound like an organization that is supposed to be about advancing youth sports, but at least no one can confuse it for anything other than what it is, right? What about M.E.A.L.T.I.C.K.E.T.? Unfortunately you'll have to use your imagination and fill in the blanks with this one too, but I hope one of you entrepreneurs reading this takes one or both of them and runs with it.

PGF is a business that started off by offering what they felt was a superior product to the one they had been buying for many years. Their business model is to provide a product that many teams want, rather than what an arrogant and unresponsive NGB deemed it would provide. The market determines whether their business is successful or not. Criticizing them for being successful is un-American - at least it used to be.

Do you have similar complaints about the 'honesty' of all the for-profit leagues whose names "sound like good intentions" (e.g. NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc)? Name for-profit businesses - any industry - whose name is in a vein similar to what you suggest. Seriously.

Perhaps you should dedicate yourself to providing a non-profit alternative to PGF. The Pollyanna Fantasy League sounds appropriate.

 

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Perhaps you should dedicate yourself to providing a non-profit alternative to PGF.

Uh, perhaps no.

I have no dog in this hunt, I was simply saying that if you're only out there to make money maybe you should put it out there on front street. As you can see from my post count I don't spend a lot of time here arguing with strangers about things that shouldn't matter all that much to grown men. It's nice when a queen like youself comes along and reminds me of that.

Hey, thanks for letting me know how a restaurant works though. It was a mystery to me until today.

 

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I have no dog in this hunt, I was simply saying that if you're only out there to make money maybe you should put it out there on front street. ...

As I explained in my previous post, that is not accurate. You're a good example of PRIDE - People Remain Ignorant Despite Education.

 

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I've been watching this closely and I really have no dog in this fight, but here's my 2 cents (by the time I'm done it may be worth a dime

We have seen restaurant used as an example as a business, so lets use cars. Would you rather

a) by a brand new car with some bells and whistles? You get the 2-3 year plan of oil changes, and the such. That's built into your payment. Sure, it's there for 2 years only and paying for it for the next 3. But when you need that all important oil change, tire goes flat, etc. you know you're covered and can relax

b) by a used car with nothing. But you pay for all maintenance. Sure you don't pay for it over the cost of the term of the agreement, but what happens after 3 or 4 years, you're spending more money for the upkeep.

OK, so back to my point. I would rather pay up front for the charges than get stuck nickling and diming me because the fees were cheaper.

 

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Uh, perhaps no.

I have no dog in this hunt, I was simply saying that if you're only out there to make money maybe you should put it out there on front street. As you can see from my post count I don't spend a lot of time here arguing with strangers about things that shouldn't matter all that much to grown men. It's nice when a queen like youself comes along and reminds me of that.

Hey, thanks for letting me know how a restaurant works though. It was a mystery to me until today.

Not to throw gas on the fire - but do you not now that ASA, NSA, USSSSA, etal also make money on the sport of softball?

 

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Used to be so simple...drive to Eastlake and attend Central Park Crushers tournament and bring home the trophy.
paid $300 and slept in comforts of our bed....we ruled Lake County. Glass house got broken when we played in Spano and got run ruled by everyone, so we joined ICE. Lesson learned...

Might start a tournament in my back yard and charge $250 with parking fee of $5 a day or maybe $5 a person will be better...open my grill and $4 hotdog with $2 diet coke (gotta watch those calories) $1.50 water. Have to give people walking tacos $1 because I want attendees to be happy. My tournaments will be cheap...;&

I want to do it for the kids....I'm really not trying to make money. Come one come all.....I'll advertise as CHANGE is good for softball...we need CHANGE (wait, didn't someone use that campaign already?) oh well...

 

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lol

 

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Not to throw gas on the fire - but do you not now that ASA, NSA, USSSSA, etal also make money on the sport of softball?

Yeah.

I tried hard, but still don't care.

Do I need to post it 8 or 10 more times? 20? Do I need to spread my "I don't care. At all." posts out over a certain time span or can I just do them all at once and get it over with?

 

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You're a good example of PRIDE - People Remain Ignorant Despite Education.

Oh, bern!!!!1111!!!one111!!!

Man you got me.

I still don't care though. I'm not sure how many more times I need to post it before it sinks in. I need you to F.O.C.U.S.

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Are you guys so up in arms because you are the PGF? I wonder how childish feuds on the internet affect the bottom line. I may be wrong but I'll bet bet you a dollar that it doesn't help all that much.

Anyway, stay classy, guys.

 

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ltsg - I am not sure anyone really choose sides in anything. The fact is there are options for top competition these days and maybe now people will listen to the customers.

I don't know about Ohio, but I do know other areas, and even other states, are benefitting by having different options.

 

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I have zero skin in this game.

It is unquestionably true that the most competitive nationals are ASA and PGF (don't confuse nationals though with "regional nationals"). All of the different associations make money and just package the product and pricing different ways. And it is probably good to have competition.

As a coach, it is your responsibility to find the best tourneys to fit the goals of the team. If it's a true college showcase team, then you're probably going to choose more ASA and PGF events because they do have the more competitive nationals and because more competitive teams currently tend to play ASA and PGF events. If your goal is to attend well-run and reasonably priced tournaments, then those can be probably be found in all associations, and bad ones can be found in all as well. The key is the tournament's past reputation and that of the tournament director. If your goal is just to stay local, then you don't care so much about either of those things, and you just pick tourneys close to home.

I think ASA has left the door wide open in recent years for PGF to step in and take market share, and they have done so to some extent at least in Ohio. One advantage of PGF is that they can promote their product as being specifically for fastpitch. But only time will tell if they took good advantage of this, and how ASA, NSA and others will respond. If PGF was to get too "greedy" and try to do too much too fast and not do it well, then they will lose the foothold they have gained.

 

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... It is unquestionably true that the most competitive nationals are ASA and PGF (don't confuse nationals though with "regional nationals"). All of the different associations make money and just package the product and pricing different ways. And it is probably good to have competition.

As a coach, it is your responsibility to find the best tourneys to fit the goals of the team. If it's a true college showcase team, then you're probably going to choose more ASA and PGF events because they do have the more competitive nationals and because more competitive teams currently tend to play ASA and PGF events. If your goal is to attend well-run and reasonably priced tournaments, then those can be probably be found in all associations...

Perfectly stated! Although I cannot "justify" the $1700 price tag for PGF any more than I can "justify" $300-350 for a top level bat, both are needed at the elite level.
If your goal is to have your daughter stand out as a hitter, you are probably going to shell out the $300+ for a bat as compared to a $70-80 model.
If your goal is to give your daughter a realistic chance at a commitment from a high-level program in her recruiting years (13-17), you probably don't want to be on a team complaining of a $1700 entry fee to PGF nationals... or ANY tournament for that matter.
Remember that when you shop for both bats and softball teams!