ASA Tournament Bat Wars

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I was there this weekend with our 16u roadwarriors and absolutly were disappointed with the weather and field conditions like others. we basically got 2 games in and started 2 others that lasted less than 2-innings. i have run in to rain problems before at berliner park but as you guys list all these other great fields to play at as a coach i'm trying to go to college exposure events. i have yet to see a tournament bigger than the smokey baker at expressway. i'm in your corner when it comes to greenville and smaller venues that really take care of there fields but still need exposure, and college coaches like the big venues to see plenty of players in one day. And even thought we only played 12innings we did see some college coaches and give them credit for even making the trip with the forecast as bad as it was.
 
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Sorry, I have some idea, and there is no excuse for the lack of effort down there yesterday. Hire your own crew, give'em some rakes and some diamond dry and get the games rolling. All we want to see is a good effort......and that didn't happen.

There is a little more to it than that. When the Stingrays rent Beekman and Coffey Fields, OSU still has control on when maintanence can begin after a rain delay. Stingrays has field maintenace workers ready to do the work but they cannot start until OSU says it is okay to start.

With Berliner being a city park, no one is going to touch those fields except for union employees. Period.

As for the parking fees, each event "coordinates" the parking fee when the event contract is signed. The base fee last year was $3.00. It might have gone up to $5 this year, I am unsure. If the parking fee is higher than the base fee, then there is some money going back to the event from parking fees.
 
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Largest tournament in Ohio is Rick Moorehead's Jamboree ( and he downsized on purpose )

But, I agree with you. I think Troy is trying something this Fall even though it is on the weekend that Ohio State host their event.

Reason I went to West Virginia to host mine this Fall is the same reason you speak of..... diamonds with lights. Especially in the Fall months when darkness comes of course earlier and earlier each day.

The next question is... is college coaches indeed going to the right venue.. when that venue is at the mercy of a city concerning their fields ?

My answer to that would be "NO" and probally this idea has gotten into some of these coach's head these past three days. :rolleyes:

Goshen, last Fall, welcomed the Lasers Gold event and passed with flying colors on their ball fields getting up and going... even with it being 34 at night. Hard to dry a field at 34 degrees. Concern over frost in another to worry about playing early games in the Fall. Need lights for a big college showcase in the Fall. A must to have.

Buckeye21: What is your thoughts about college showcases who have 10u and 12u events as well ? I have always seen it as a burden to the older teams.. based on the fact if it rains someone goes or don't play as much.

My question.. and it was halfway answered by Bill Vasko by his answer that it was "spread out" and not happening on the better of the fields... but my question is... why down South a college showcase is just that... a college showcase with 16u and 18u teams.. but up this way it always seems to have age groups that really has nothing to do with a college showcase.....

Obviously, in a college showcase..... MOST TD's USUALLY put their effort into the fields of the older girls due to college coaches attending the event. Thus, the little ones get the hammer !!!!! and their parents paid just as much as the older girl's parents.

Personally, if I was a college coach and I spent my recruiting dollars to come to your showcase... your effort as a TD..BETTER be getting the older girls fields ready before any other. I came to see them and not the "fillers" you brought in ( 10u and 12u) for your pocketbook.

Thus, I shall never realize in my mind.. why ANY 10u or 12u teams would ever go to a college showcase event.:confused: Obviously, these 10u and 12u teams sure do take a hard knock when it comes to college showcase events.

And I do understand that many younger girls got to play in this event...:yahoo:more games than the older girls..... and all I can say to that... if I was a college coach that spent recruiting dollars to come see the older girls... I wondering to myself... "How did that happen?"
 
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ohioquakerman - you are absolutly on the money with 10's'12's at showcases. if there was more emphasis put on 16's and 18's, instead this tournament was listed as full in january or feburary.
 
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There is a little more to it than that. When the Stingrays rent Beekman and Coffey Fields, OSU still has control on when maintanence can begin after a rain delay. Stingrays has field maintenace workers ready to do the work but they cannot start until OSU says it is okay to start.

With Berliner being a city park, no one is going to touch those fields except for union employees. Period.

As for the parking fees, each event "coordinates" the parking fee when the event contract is signed. The base fee last year was $3.00. It might have gone up to $5 this year, I am unsure. If the parking fee is higher than the base fee, then there is some money going back to the event from parking fees.


wvanalmsick, great points, although I think the most Expeinced TDs and Coaches in the Country when of been sick with the goings on this weekend and had plenty of suggestions for improving. Many have been pointed out on OFC, I trust Bill will make good use of them.

To your point on who touches the fields.
So lets have the CITY, who could use the exposure and the Money instruct the the Union to Be Ready...and GO when its time... I think it goes way beyond the Union on this one, yet I know if they are in control of the fields, then the TD had to work that through. You would think with this big of a draw there would be more Asst TDs, better communication and a better understating of what the Union Could do or in this case Wont do and put them in the rules, with the Rain Delay brackets.. I know some Union guys that have to be pretty sore from driving around and using there shoulder and neck muscles to peer out of their city park trucks, tuning their heads with rapid speed and brilliance to identify wet fields. Sad truth is many ( not all) could of been ready throughout Friday and Saturday with a city broom ( I have seen them) and a rake..
I posted an email to TD below, as I think the Mayor should be embarrassed as to how the City showed up this weekend to 4500 people, many from outside of Columbus.. as Charles Barkley would say it was Terble!
---------------------------------------------- note below was sent Friday as we all saw this Trainreck comming!

Terrible decision to let city off the hook today.
The 5pm game should of been played. 140 teams X 11 or so kids is approx1600 kids. I think you could of gone to 60 mims and played the 3 oclok games at a 3:45.

Instead teams from all over 4 states, plus on avg two family members (some of which took a day off work) call it 4500 people! impacted because the city is not sure they can get the equipment on the field?

The Mayor should be embarrassed that in the second worst recession since the 1930s he sent all those people out of downtown with their money. I am sure many cancelled hotel rooms and went home. More revenue lost at local restaurants as well. I am sure the City and the business don't need the money?

So it is it a Tough call TD?

So what if you wait to call the 5pms at 4? What's the downside? The softball families hangout with other softball families to here they wait 2 hours for nothing and then go home or to hotels disappointed. ?
That is far better than driving away at 2 pm and sitting around starring at the sun knowing almost certainly they should be playing! and at most parks they would be.

Please forward this to the city parks manager as I will write the Mayor and ask him how his tax revenue looks and what he's doing with the all the money he is raking in on the Clippers.

We had 5 teams scheduled to play 10 games today. Sad kids and sad parents and sad decision to let the city to make a call 3hours in advance with the sun shining on crushed brick fields. My god if anything would dry this would!!!

Ps 70% chance of rain tomorrow. Least a couple of our teams got an inning in today after our 125 mile commute and day off work.


I sign off, Friend of many Ohio team managers and once proud citizen of Columbus Ohio, now very much frustrated with the city's sad decision.

Dean K. 14u Hurrucanes
 
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I can understand the 10u and 12u IF...IF you got fields that are empty because it is small fields and can't be played on by the older girls... that's one thing. But, have enough employees to handle them equally.

If you cannot handle the 10u and 12u equally... then keep it to college showcase teams only.

It is a disservice to all age groups.

But, as well, I will also say the Stingrays and GAPPS are impressive because of their work force and that EQUAL treatment of all age groups. Because they got the workforce to do so. When you have that work force.... then nothing wrong on having the 10u and 12u there.

It is just when you are depending on the city... and no control... that maybe a TD should stick with the showcase teams
 
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I believe a good course of action would be to bombard the mayor's office with complaints about Berliner this weekend. Skip the Rec Deprtment and go straight to the man.

Here is his email: mac@columbus.gov
 
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Something that sparked my interest.. and I have to go do a rec game nearby now... but if I remember right Patty Shotwell had an event at Berliner.. did she not? Success, I believe. I do think I read in that thread from last year where everyone was happy.. ballfields being lined..etc... and just have to wonder about the amount of employees for her event VS Bill's event.

Is the city one-sided on that issue ?

I mean, I can tell you .. that the Sports Commission for Columbus was in this deep as that is their job. "Butts in the beds" is what it is all about. There's something I don't want to discuss concerning Sports Commissions... but they are well funded... not only by the county Convention and Visitors Bureau and their businesses ( including restaurants and motels) but I am almost sure that Columbus is helped in funding by the motel tax paid by visitors....

I would love to know personally their explaination of where did their promoting dollars go... Some Sports Commissions.. if the venue is large... will PAY for extra employee costs for a TD.

I just have to wonder about it all actually.

Not a slam on Bill or nothing at all..... but I am just wondering.
 
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I'd find out the whole story first... because something just doesn't set well with me right now... I don't know what it is... but there are more than meets the eye here.

Nobody can say the city is at fault here yet. No one.

I can remember Mike Craig stating that the field rentals come with one drag on a Sunday morning..... I would guess as a TD you have to "pay" for the rest of the employees.
 
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The college showcase in the fall run by Shotwell was extremely well run, which was why I was excited to come back to Berliner. But this past weekend was a complete opposite of the way everything was handled at the fall showcase.
 
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I believe a good course of action would be to bombard the mayor's office with complaints about Berliner this weekend. Skip the Rec Deprtment and go straight to the man.

Here is his email: mac@columbus.gov

Here is my note. I am about done with this thread :)

Dean Kontul" <dakmail@yahoo.com>View contact detailsTo: mac@columbus.gov

Mayor Coleman, I respectfully request you have your office do some digging into the Public Relations disaster that occurred for your City at Berliner Park for some 1600 Fast Pitch Softball players, and nearly 3000 more family members and guests, many from other major cities in Ohio and many many from near by States.

The Tournament was impacted by Rain and that is uncontrollable, but it was also impacted by terrible communication and very poor support from your Parks and Recreation department. To make it easy here is a link where they can go and find a blog about the event. http://www.game-ex.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=27216

It is in sequential order so they need to make there way through a couple of pages to find the learning's for your City and the Parks department. The tournament director and others have some learning's as well.

Yet from the City's perspective I trust in the middle of these difficult economic times, you will give this matter some serious consideration as all Ohioans want our Capital City to show up well in ever event, and we don't want to chase any dollars out of Ohio.

Thank You.
Dean Kontul
Solon Ohio

here is phone if you want to call him
Mayor's Office
City Hall 2nd Floor
90 West Broad Street
Columbus, OH 43215
Phone : 614-645-7671
Fax : 614-645-5818
Email : mac@columbus.gov
 
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Let me add another group that won"t be returning to this tournament.First games on Friday were started and most were either in 3rd or 4th inning when lightning halted play.Umpires were not paid anything for these games.Alot of umpires take vacation days from work to help girls be able to play on Fridays and then they sit around and receive nothing for games that are almost half over.Many umpires when they found this out left and thats why games were played with one or no umpires.I know of alot of umps that will never return to tourneys at Berliner under this leadership.
 
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Played (2) 1-hour games on Saturday. Berliner is definitely all about quantity over quality when it comes to the fields. There is little anyone can do about the weather, but if the fields were fitted with proper drainage and diamond dry, the issues would be much fewer. Even if the city won't supply the diamond dry, the TD should make sure it is on hand for the city workers to use.

On the subject of union fields. Understand that the union is not responsible for man power and staffing issues. The city supervisors, not the union, determines how many workers are needed, and if they will have as many gate fee attendants as they do field maintenance workers. With the large amount of revenue that an event like this generates, shame on the city for not staffing this event properly. Just the tax revenue alone in increased business from hotels, restaurants, retail, etc... justifies having a full staff of city workers. Not to mention the revenue that was generated by the gate fees.

If I were the TD for this event (and I would not want that job for all the rice in China), I would have a serious discussion with the city to make sure that the event is staffed properly next time, and get it in writing, or take the event to another location next year.
 
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When you e-mail the Mayor, let him know how much money your team or Organization spent in Columbus.

As an example our Organization spent:
tournament cost for us was $1700.00 entry fee,
Hotel stay we spent $6770.00,
gas bought in columbus was around $2500.00,
Eating out cost was around $7500.00
Merchandise bought at tournament was around $4000.00
Eating at the park was around $5000.00
And the parking fees were $600.00
total cost that the Parma Wildcats spent in Columbus was around $28,070.00
And we will not support Columbus again by coming to play at Berliner Park untill the City and Union figure out that May, June and July is the busy time for the Parks and Rec Dept and they need to have there workers on rolling days off to be able to support these tournaments with a cheaper and a better work force..

I mean How much work does the Parks and Rec union workers do in Dec, Jan and Feb
And how much work SHOULD the Parks and Rec union workers be doing in May, June and July
 
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wow!!! I would like to address something and I hope someone can give me some answers or guide me in the right direction. First, At midnight on Thursday I was notified that my pool play time was changed. Hello? Can't blame the rain on this at least yet. In the meantime most of my team went down Thursday eve to be there for the 11:45am game. We are a 2 1/2 hr drive away. Our time was changed to play at 1:25p.m. then the rains came.(Cancelled) 5:00p.m. game (Cancelled) Saturday games cut back to one hour we played 3:15-4:15, A.M games Saturday were cancelled(Cancelled 2) Then we were to play at 8:15p.m.(a field with no lights) Here's what happenedat this game. Number 1: other team never showed so another team said they would play us BUT this team just walked off another field and their players needed to use restroom. When we were ready to play. Umps said that due to darkness approaching we would only be able to play approx 35 minutes. Rains came, game cancelled.

NOW, I WAS TOLD THAT WE GET "NO" REFUND CAUSE WE GOT IN ONE GAME FOR A HOUR. IS THIS CORRECT?
 
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I agree with everybody on this. We showed up friday at 10:00 am to warm up for our 11:45am game and upon arriving to our diamond and waiting until 12:15pm with the opposing team umpireless until it started to rain and lightning. And the game was called (by the coaches of course) Saturday was a little better we at least got to play 3 short 1 hour games. Unfortunitely being blind to the fact they gave us what they were obligated to 3-games(no refund) I wake up sunday morning and find out there will be no games for today due to weather. I live in lancaster about 25minutes south of berliner. And let me tell you this was the best day out of the whole weekend. Sun has been shining here since 12:00pm and havent seen a drop of rain all day! Dont get me wrong I know there is not anything you can do about the weather but how they handled the tournament in all aspects was a very bad experience for all parents and players. Not certain we will be returning!
 
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Im looking at the Capital City Rules for 2010 and it says:
3 or more games = $0
2 games played = $100
0-1 games played = $175

Seemed like a good idea $445.00 for seven games........But we played a grand total of 8 innings this weekend.


Copied and pasted from Capital City Showdown Website.
"we promise a good time for all."
 
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We drove down for 2 games Friday. Both games were cancelled due to rain as we arrived to the tent to check in. Drove home...

Had an 830 am and a 2pm game on Saturday. Received an automated message late Friday night that our 830am game was cancelled.
We showed up Saturday @ 1pm to play our 2pm game. Rains came and all games prior to 2pm were cancelled and all 2pm games were still on IF your field was playable. Ours was not, so our 2pm game was cancelled.

We waited in line for a revised schedule..... It was approx 3pm now, and we were advised we would play @ 930pm on Saturday, and the following times on Sunday. 8, 915, 1030, 1145 & 215....... (Almost 5 in a row) We decided to go back to the tent and let the directors know that we would not stay for the 930pm Saturday game as we had to be down early for 5 games in a row on Sunday. We wanted to be sure the team we were playing was notified so that we didn't leave them hanging. (930pm & 1045pm games ended up cancelled)

Woke up this morning @ 5am, and at 545am learned the tourney was cancelled.

2 trips to Columbus, 2 rounds of gate fees for each family, and we played 0 innings / 0 games. Paid $445 and we are getting $175 back. What a bargain!
 
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One thing i noticed is were going thru a tough economy and everyone is trying to make every dollar stretch but when it comes to our dd's we seem to make it happen and fastpitch softball seems to be a booming business. we hate to say no to the t-shirts and other cool thing that keep them happy during a rain delay. BUT BOOMING BUSINESSES USUALLY FALL TO BAD MANAGEMENT AND GREED THIS REFUND POLICY WILL FALL RIGHT INTO POOR MANAGEMENT AND GREED. I hate to say i won't be back cause i already paid to go back two more times this year and have hotels. But next year i hope everyone remembers this weekend.
 

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