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Sounds like a big mess.They have a contract with the teams that only benifits them.Why dont they have a contract with the facilitys that they use.That says they will work the fields as bast they can to try to get games in.Umpires being told they will not get paid for games that are not completed leads to some great umping.
Gate fees for a public park event must be refunded if event is canceled.That might just be against the law.
Sounds like a very poorly run event by these people, every team should stay away from in the future.Not just capital city but all there events.
I have heard other tournaments that these people have done have had bad reports as well.So why would a coach want his or her team to play in one of there events?
Live and learn.People.Dont get taken twice;&
 
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As far as the union workers go, I would encourage every body who visits Berliner in the future to put a rake in their trunk. If your diamond needs work, just do it yourself. You will either get the field ready or have every union worker there in a blink of the eye. Plus it would be comical to see every field being worked up and the union guys not knowing which way to run first to get them off their fields.

** Unionized labor is probably taking an unfair rap for this when in reality it's probably the city who has failed to adequately staff the event. ** It's just more fun to union bash. I personally blame Obama and I'm sure BP is somehow involved.
 
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Any word on when our partial refund will be sent?

I am keeping very close track of when I sent my info. . .which I couldn't believe they requested. (Should have made a photo copy of the check and or wrote down the information for bookkeepping purposes.) I certainly will be contacting the BBB if it is not within a timely manner. Dang you are talking a pizza dinner for the kids. . . LOL
 
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as far as the union workers go, i would encourage every body who visits berliner in the future to put a rake in their trunk. If your diamond needs work, just do it yourself. You will either get the field ready or have every union worker there in a blink of the eye. Plus it would be comical to see every field being worked up and the union guys not knowing which way to run first to get them off their fields.

** unionized labor is probably taking an unfair rap for this when in reality it's probably the city who has failed to adequately staff the event. ** it's just more fun to union bash. I personally blame obama and i'm sure bp is somehow involved.

Very funny :D :D :D
 
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How will this affect other tournaments being held there this summer?
 
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That's the truth, Ringer. I think there has to be some better communication with the City itself. I mean, they threw off a great tournament for Patty Shotwell and her college showcase at Berliner....

I personally believe the problem lies with the Columbus Sports Commission for not helping fund the needed workers. Especialy at union scale and also double time Sunday. From a business perspective... a combo of Sports Commission and % of gate over the rate for the city to take....( and no one has really answered that figure really in this thread and that has a lot to do with it ) Gate is not pocket money. Gate is diamond dry, expenses ( see worker's pay), etc.... and we are not talking about park people in other parks making $10 an hour here.

The obvious here is:

a) lack of workers for fields
b) was diamond dry on hand ( which it probally was by city or TD )
c) Lack of workers to put on diamond dry
d) Lack of city , sports commission, and probaly lost huge amounts of revenue for future business into the city on this weekend in 2011.. due to Columbus orgs not getting together to support it. City Parks has to recoup it's cost financially.. either by the TD or by the TD/Sports Commission combo.

To me, that's where it went wrong from the get go.. if the above is true and found out to be true.

Poor communication is never an excuse at any tournament... even in BugTussle, Ohio.
 
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I sent six from the Akron/Canton area and they are never going back... said they would never set foot again at Berliner.

We sent 4 TEAMS and I feel the same way... too bad it had the makings of a great tournament..
 
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As far as the union workers go, I would encourage every body who visits Berliner in the future to put a rake in their trunk. If your diamond needs work, just do it yourself. You will either get the field ready or have every union worker there in a blink of the eye. Plus it would be comical to see every field being worked up and the union guys not knowing which way to run first to get them off their fields.

** Unionized labor is probably taking an unfair rap for this when in reality it's probably the city who has failed to adequately staff the event. ** It's just more fun to union bash. I personally blame Obama and I'm sure BP is somehow involved.


LMAO:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
 
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I just read on their web site it states no games earlier then noon on friday...LIES.... 2 of our teams (12u and 16u) games started at 11:45 am Friday...I think that is before noon on friday or am I wrong...
 
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But, then again ... parents and coaches need to relax just a little while.. while the TD gets together with Park people... look over the fields ( which one can go up in order based on getting up first).... make a decision for a time delay... which times could be different based on the fields / age groups then....

the TD has to figure how that might disrupt the tournament based on does the fields that get up first.. have four or five age groups playing on those first up and going? If so, talk about a damper on a tournament... Catch up in brackets or pool play whatever it is... so do you hear the C R A P when you make a decsion to make the first five diamonds available to two or three age groups.. move people around.. look at the bracket.. scorecards.. how many games in the late inning.. one or two left and get another started....

Because it absolutely does not make sense to start five fields with three or four age groups.. or worst scenerio five age groups that were playing on the five fields you are getting up first... as it will lop-side your tournament.. especially if no other fields are coming up for another 1 1/2 hr or more.

Personally, I finish up whatever games were being played on those fields FIRST (which gives you as a TD a little breathing room to decide things and keep 20 coaches ( based on 2 per team..LOL) out of your A$$.. let them play their game.. finish it.. then you get the joy of telling them they probally aren't going to be playing for six hours.. :) Then you get this look:mad:... then you give back this look :confused: because you are confused why this coach (s) are standing in front of you complaining ( remind you they started first in the rain delay ) and can't understand "rain delay" and it seems to be the "new" 10u and 12u coach... that just got a big whiff of travel ball and the disadvantages of attending huge sized tournaments.. especially one advertised as a college showcase ( with college coaches attending )... ( not including Stingrays/GAPPS/others.. where they have an ARMY of people that can equally take care of the younger age groups equally as well as the older girls)....

At my two college scimmages/showcases in West Virginia this Fall.. I hired an organization familiar with the fields where we will be playing ... ran a few of their own there - knows the fields and what it takes... and the city takes care of the other three.

I got my ARMY now.... just took some innovative thinking and not so much greed....LOL

But, back to my first thought.....

"Why in the heck does a college showcase have 10u and 12u playing in them" ???? You can only take the chance..if you are properly aligned with workers or said ARMIES from above.... and not relying on good weather for three days ( which is a joke of a thought in Ohio anyway ).... and then college coaches not seeing what they came to look at ( see next year's list of college attendees and don't be surprised if it is lower, if you as a TD, start playing 10u and 12u.. while 16u and 18u are sitting and waiting as well as the college coaches... and a good indications is if the college coaches/rep leaves.... that's a good indication they aren't ever coming back...:D Which misses an opportunity by a DD to be seen :mad: afterall it is a college showcase :confused:

It's like Boy Scouts folks ... be prepared. Whether it is workers, diamonds dry... working scenerios in you head when you know rain is going to hit you in an hour because you have been watching radar... Just be prepared. Bottom line.
 
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could have used them over in findlay :)

Another event was shortened in the amount of teams and they found Columbus event.. never to see it again in their words.

Portsmouth crew was on vacation.:D
 
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I am surely not siding with capitol city TD. But two years ago same tournament same weekend the same thing happened and got no refund i think we got 2 or 3 games in.
Then two weeks after that the same people had a tournament at Arthur fisher park on the west side of dayton got in half of that event due to rain (NO REFUND) then they had the 1st annual gem city tournament and weather was perfect and all was forgotten. yes i was mad about the two events we got no refund but they did such a good job at kettering fields we basically forgot about the rain shortened events. And the same will happen this year they will bounce back and pull of a good year of events. They still have Queen city,Gem city,All-sanction world series that i know of in our area.
As you can tell by the other post (SLUGGERFEST,WINDMILL,BEAVERCREEK) nobody gets real positive reviews when it rains and monies got to be refunded.
Let's hope for dry weather the rest of the way and we won't have to waste our time talking about refunds instead we can talk about who brought home the hardware...
 
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Did Fastpitch Showdowns just Tealtown themselves? Bill did put on a nice All Sanction WS last year.
 
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I am unbiased on the windshield, but I would say park at your own risk! It is a ball field.
 
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Did Fastpitch Showdowns just Tealtown themselves? Bill did put on a nice All Sanction WS last year.

lol---love how Tealtown has now become a verb (with negative connotations).

"Man, they really Tealtowned themselves this time." :D
 
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Got my refund today. It seems they are trying to do their best to make the best of a very bad sitution.

I think Bill Beckham will make sure his future tournaments at Berliner will run smoother.
 
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Bill B has always been communicative and very fair with the Hawks.. I contacted him a week before this tourney when I realized I had dbl-booked my team between his tourney and ASA State - he was very gracious about allowing me to exit with no penalty...

We have contacted him and our refunds for our teams were fair for what we played...

I encourage him to work with the city to prevent such a fiasco like this in the future, he runs too nice a tourney when the weather cooperates to have this ruin it...
 
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With all Qman's talk of armies this thread, I guess holding a tournament is a little like going to war. Gotta make sure you have enough troops, the supplies you need, good communications and contingency plans.

"War is Hell" ~ William Tecumseh Sherman
 

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