Hitting and Hitters Discussion Calling Bretman RULES

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I have always wondered about this ruling.

0 or 1 outs.

2 different scenarios:

#1 - Girl on 3rd waiting to tag up...when can she leave?
Ball is bobbled by CF but caught, Can she leave when the ball first hits mitt or when ball is officially controlled and called an out?


#2 - Girl on 3rd waiting to tag...when can she leave?
Ball hit to CF and it hits her mitt pooping up in the air and is caught by RF?
Can she leave when ball touches CF or not until ball is caught by RF?

ASA rules. But would be interested if USSSA, NSA, or NHS rules are applied differently.

 

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As soon as ball hits glove runner alowed to advance in both situations

 

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In either case:

ASA 8-4-d runners are entitled to advance w/ liability to be put out when a legally caught fly ball is FIRST TOUCHED (my emphasis) by any defensive player.

I've answered this question in the past and used this example.

R1 on 1st
High sharp line drive that F6 leaps for, deflects off his glove and carries in LC where F8 legally catches it for the out.

By rule R1 can legally leave the base as soon as the ball is touched by F6 and before it is legally caught by F8.

 

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As soon as ball hits glove runner alowed to advance in both situations

Ditto!

 

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Besides, unless the ball is "juggled" for 2-3 seconds, what ump is going to call someone out for leaving early anyhow? (even if it is the wrong call.)

 

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So would you have to be on the base at the time the ball is tipped correct? Say you move off the bag with the pitch, ball is tipped and caught - do you need to be in contact with the bag since it is a catch or once it is touched does that part of the rule go out the window?

 

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Rocket8 ... if you're not touching the bag when the ball is first touched, you have to re-touch the bag before you can go on a fly ball that is caught.

 

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As already noted, on a fly ball runners can leave base when the ball is first touched by defensive player. This is the same for all sanctioning bodies, for baseball and softball.

Back in the early days of baseball, the rule did say runners could leave when the ball was caught. That led to the strange strategy of an outfielder purposely juggling the ball all the way back to the infield, freezing the runners who couldn't leave base until the ball was actually held and controlled.

That strategy led to the rule change of runners leaving on first touch, not the actual catch. Just like the infield fly rule and the uncaught third strike rule, this rule evolved to cover a loop hole that the players were taking advantage of.