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Just curious in how many people out there have actually taken any coaching certification classes. I am not talking about playing skills, but how to deal with kids, parents, situations, sportsmanship, etc...
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The NFCA courses are very good. I have been to 4 of them so far and I recommend them to anyone. There are also a number of very good coaches clinics around the state of Ohio that should not be missed. I think that whatever a coach can do to gain knowledge and build on what they already know.
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NWO Lady Irish require all their coaches to attend NYSCA clinics and keep current their NYSCA membership. Humans will be Humans, but this program and the owner of the organization feels this makes our coaches aware of their responsibilty to both player and parents.
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Some good posts. You see many coaches at these camps and Clinics .. Most are high school coaches, but I'm seeing more traveling ball coaches attending. I think that is why Softball is getting better in Ohio. Physical skills are important, but the social/ people/ Mental parts of the game are also important.
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Maybe a better poll would be if the parents took any classes on how to support the coaches? decisions during the game and not second guessing every move they make from the stands.
Maybe another poll on not ripping the coaches to pieces on the ride back home after a game in front of their daughters and under mining every thing they do so the player looses confidence in their coaches ability to teach and manage the game instead of having to do damage control from the parents inability to see what the picture is?it?s the kids game and you need to support the coach or find another team or start your own team and put up with the parents yourself so your daughter gets the amount of playing time that suites you.
We always say at our clinics, ?Remember softball/ baseball is a game played by the kids HOWEVER it is orchestrated and run by adults and adults do not like to loose to kids.?
Watch what some of the coaches do to win and what the parents do from the stands to win and ask yourself what classes would recommend they go to?
Back to the subject: the NFCA has clinics and quest speakers at their conventions and it is always interesting to hear how other people think, manage and teach the game. They also offer DVD's of that speaker for sale on their web sites so you don't actually have to be there to hear the message but you may have to tie the parents or coaches to the seats to listen.
Maybe another poll on not ripping the coaches to pieces on the ride back home after a game in front of their daughters and under mining every thing they do so the player looses confidence in their coaches ability to teach and manage the game instead of having to do damage control from the parents inability to see what the picture is?it?s the kids game and you need to support the coach or find another team or start your own team and put up with the parents yourself so your daughter gets the amount of playing time that suites you.
We always say at our clinics, ?Remember softball/ baseball is a game played by the kids HOWEVER it is orchestrated and run by adults and adults do not like to loose to kids.?
Watch what some of the coaches do to win and what the parents do from the stands to win and ask yourself what classes would recommend they go to?
Back to the subject: the NFCA has clinics and quest speakers at their conventions and it is always interesting to hear how other people think, manage and teach the game. They also offer DVD's of that speaker for sale on their web sites so you don't actually have to be there to hear the message but you may have to tie the parents or coaches to the seats to listen.
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Good post Howard. That is the part of the game that we all dislike. At one time or another we all have to deal with that part of the game. When I was younger, you never read about parents fighting with coaches or umpires. Now everyone has to have a code of conduct. That is the first thing we give the kids and parents.
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Wow Hitter... sore spot ?? Not meaning you personally.....But the families...
Here's a link for Parents of teams in which they too can take a course on what we are talking about.
http://nays.org/IntMain.cfm?Page=13&Cat=2
Being an NYSCA proctor, it opened my eyes and made me look inward first and then truly realize what an A$$ I made of myself. Been able to enjoy the game these last 5 years or so, in a much greater perspective.
twenty bucks a year ?for a 2 million dollar insurance policy and piece of mind is money well spent.
You can even take it online now and I am not sure if the videos online of the "STORIES" are as impactful as the ?VHS videos we use.. The coach tackling the Pop Warner player running for a touchdown, "the coach pulling out a gun over a batting cage" These stories are the impact of it all..
here's the Coaches link:
http://nays.org/IntMain.cfm?Page=1&Cat=3
Hope it helps!
Here's a link for Parents of teams in which they too can take a course on what we are talking about.
http://nays.org/IntMain.cfm?Page=13&Cat=2
Being an NYSCA proctor, it opened my eyes and made me look inward first and then truly realize what an A$$ I made of myself. Been able to enjoy the game these last 5 years or so, in a much greater perspective.
twenty bucks a year ?for a 2 million dollar insurance policy and piece of mind is money well spent.
You can even take it online now and I am not sure if the videos online of the "STORIES" are as impactful as the ?VHS videos we use.. The coach tackling the Pop Warner player running for a touchdown, "the coach pulling out a gun over a batting cage" These stories are the impact of it all..
here's the Coaches link:
http://nays.org/IntMain.cfm?Page=1&Cat=3
Hope it helps!
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It is sore spot with me as I coached our son and made mistakes and I wish I would have known what I know now. Our Son even said, ?Boy Pop you are a lot more understanding now than when you coached me.? And then went on to say, ?I wasn?t easy to coach was I and then smiled.?
I have seen Moms and Dads do some things and say some things that would make most normal people stop coaching the game and TRUST me I?ve seen some coaches do things that most fathers would consider giving a good old fashion butt kicking to no matter if it was a sporting event or not. However you have to pick your times to make a point so as not to give the kids the wrong lesson being taught.
At 58 I am getting old and a little tired and wish I could go back and do some things over again.
I have seen Moms and Dads do some things and say some things that would make most normal people stop coaching the game and TRUST me I?ve seen some coaches do things that most fathers would consider giving a good old fashion butt kicking to no matter if it was a sporting event or not. However you have to pick your times to make a point so as not to give the kids the wrong lesson being taught.
At 58 I am getting old and a little tired and wish I could go back and do some things over again.
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I don't think I could be more certified. I've taken the course and the test for the Positive Coaching Alliance, the Coaching for Character course and book, plenty of regular clinics that discussed these issues, PAV and CPR certification that all school coaches must have, etc, etc., etc.
Having said all of that, I'm pretty leery of ethics classes being mandated or any necessary certification beyond basic first aid and CPR. The overwhelming majority of the stuff is pure common sense and anyone dumb enough to need a class to learn it is going to be too dumb to gain anything from the class. Further, not much is worse than listening to the ethics police preach about how the entire (coaching, legal, medical, etc.) field is unethical and "we must do better or our profession is headed for disaster."
Having said all of that, I'm pretty leery of ethics classes being mandated or any necessary certification beyond basic first aid and CPR. The overwhelming majority of the stuff is pure common sense and anyone dumb enough to need a class to learn it is going to be too dumb to gain anything from the class. Further, not much is worse than listening to the ethics police preach about how the entire (coaching, legal, medical, etc.) field is unethical and "we must do better or our profession is headed for disaster."
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A few of our coaches are definitely "certifiable". 
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Joe,
I can bet that you are most qualified, but knowing that some of the people who are molding the young ladies into players and young adults, probably aren't. Now with that said, I wouldn't say it to make it mandatory, but as you said more important would be basic first aid or CPR? I can say in all my years of playing or being around sports, I can count one time of a CPR need and that was a H.S. football game last year.
Now mental abuse of a child, or an umpire, or parent, I can see that every weekend on any playing surface of any sport...
That is the only reason for the poll, just to see percentage of how many people or organizations try to be proactive that's all..
I can bet that you are most qualified, but knowing that some of the people who are molding the young ladies into players and young adults, probably aren't. Now with that said, I wouldn't say it to make it mandatory, but as you said more important would be basic first aid or CPR? I can say in all my years of playing or being around sports, I can count one time of a CPR need and that was a H.S. football game last year.
Now mental abuse of a child, or an umpire, or parent, I can see that every weekend on any playing surface of any sport...
That is the only reason for the poll, just to see percentage of how many people or organizations try to be proactive that's all..
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For years we have been lucky to have a Nurse with a first aid kit at every game. Like Joe I have went thru the first aid certification, but I would rather have someone that does this on a routine basis.
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Ditto on the nurses/parents/first aiders. I've been lucky enough to have the Johnny-on-the-spot parents the last couple of years. They have their kits open and the gauze flying before you even know what really happened. I have a new girl this year who's parents have a first aid kit just for her and its not a small one. They said they have learned from experience when it comes to her. Our first outside scrimmage she managed to get all bloodied up.
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hilliardad: ?That is true, CPR will never even come up for most people in their lifetimes, although I do think the minor cost (part of one evening) is worth the possible benefit. ?I definitely think the ethical issues taught by some of the coaching classes are critically important, but I also think that a coach pretty much either believes in them or he doesn't. ?I don't see the classes as doing much good. ?Same thing with the ethics, substance abuse and professionalism classes that lawyers are subjected to every two years. ?
If anyone thinks high school students don't pay attention in class, they should visit a continuing legal education class on ethics. ?The overwhelming majority of lawyers stay busy in them working on memos and motions, reading contracts and drafts, making out softball lineups...
If anyone thinks high school students don't pay attention in class, they should visit a continuing legal education class on ethics. ?The overwhelming majority of lawyers stay busy in them working on memos and motions, reading contracts and drafts, making out softball lineups...
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I've been NYSCA certified for 8 yrs. It's a good program - mostly common sense, but we all know you can't assume common sense. I think it's a good idea for all coaches to take the time to be certified.
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Ah I guess that's no different than business meetings with blackberries being answered and laptops open during presentations.....
but yes, having a heart issue myself, I can agree with the CPR that anyone can use it, if once in a lifetime, but that one person will thank you.....
but yes, having a heart issue myself, I can agree with the CPR that anyone can use it, if once in a lifetime, but that one person will thank you.....
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I have my CPR but am more likely to use it one of our coaches than one of our players!!