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What are your opinions on playing rec ball? I used to think it wasn't so bad that the players got more reps, got to play with their friends from school, ect.... Last night at my SS's rec ball game she got her finger broke and will be out for a little while. She's prolly gonna miss practices and maybe the 3 fall tournaments we have. So as a coach, which way to you lean on letting your players play fall rec and spring rec ball? When I got the text her finger was broke, I started thinking it was more like wreck ball, not rec ball. Lol
 
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Not a coach here, but I'll give you an opinion from experience. If your daughter's goal is to "get better", mindless reps will not improve her skills. There is a misconception that the more innings you play, the better you'll get. The problem is that if you're using poor technique without corrections, the poor technique is only reinforced and becomes hard-to-break habits. Skill improvement is a process: Learn the correct method, then test it on the field in game situations. Then go back and "fix" what you're still doing incorrectly - rinse and repeat.

With that process, friendlies with like competition would be a MUCH better venue than rec, because the game speed is more conducive to the testing process. For high school age kids, high school ball is a great litmus test for proof of your winter work. Having a daughter who pitched, I just wasn't a fan of fall ball because by then she needed the physical and mental break, and it was too soon after the summer tournaments to execute the above skill improvement process.

Some coaches will tell you that the broken finger is proof enough that she should not play rec. I disagree with that reasoning, because she could have broken her finger at any time in any number of other ways not even related to sports.

Now, with that being said, if she has no plans of playing at a higher level - college for instance - what's the harm? She's having fun with her friends, and those days go by incredibly fast. Life is about choices and decisions, and you just have to do the best with the cards you have on the table.
 
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DD stopped playing rec at 9yo. Also MS ball is glorified rec. Last year we had tons of work to do when team was released from MS ball. Thank God they are freshmen now. Hopefully it won't be so bad in HS. Not all ball is good ball.
 
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What are your opinions on playing rec ball? I used to think it wasn't so bad that the players got more reps, got to play with their friends from school, ect.... Last night at my SS's rec ball game she got her finger broke and will be out for a little while. She's prolly gonna miss practices and maybe the 3 fall tournaments we have. So as a coach, which way to you lean on letting your players play fall rec and spring rec ball? When I got the text her finger was broke, I started thinking it was more like wreck ball, not rec ball. Lol

She broke her finger because she broke her finger, Billy. Had nothing to do with the fact that is was a rec game.
DD found out that Rec ball ended up being a huge vacuum on her personal time, ie., friends, rest, mall shopping, etc., that she will never play it again. Had nothing to do with the fear on injuring herself.
Sorry, I'm not a coach, so...
 
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Every year this topic comes up. DD's played rec ball unti 14 and they had a great time. They played to have fun with their friends and we have great memories from rec. ball. Injuries happen from everyday living and IT IS WHAT IT IS.

SOFTBALL is a game and kids need to play ball for enjoyment, if your child enjoys it let them play ball.

Sorry I am not a coach but I did sleep at Holiday INN...
 
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Wreck ball in my neck of the woods is a complete waste of time. You may even get worse from participating in it.

My kid actually had a coach tell her:

"Your swing is terrible. You should take a big step toward the pitcher with your front leg when she releases the ball and then drag your back foot through the box. If you won't do it like I say you WILL NOT play...." :lmao:
 
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Humm....

Just to play devils advocate ...

Since the "vast majority" of High School teams are made up of "community or recreactional ball players" would you not allow your DD to play High School ball?

Our D1 HS had "3" A level travel fastpitch players the rest played in the local recreational league or on local select teams that played local ball.
Under new coaching the ladies finished very well the past two years given the amount of recreational ball players on the team...

I believe it is not the league but instruction.....

I have watched over the years "many" travel ball coaching staffs at an A or B level make bad choices / decisions so, to single out a coach/ player for the division of play in my opinion is unfair:confused:
 
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Humm....

Just to play devils advocate ...

Since the "vast majority" of High School teams are made up of "community or recreactional ball players" would you not allow your DD to play High School ball?

They just fired the decent softball coaches that our high school team could hire, both are teachers at the school. The good ole boys club decided to show those two little girls who was in charge. You worded that like some of us might try to keep our daughters from playing on their high school team, mine has told me that there isn't any way that she will play on it at this point.
 
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They just fired the decent softball coaches that our high school team could hire, both are teachers at the school. The good ole boys club decided to show those two little girls who was in charge. You worded that like some of us might try to keep our daughters from playing on their high school team, mine has told me that there isn't any way that she will play on it at this point.

That's too bad because only person that will hurt is the person who decides not to play. Win or lose my girls played for a coach who admitted he was only there for the money during high school (except last year for my younger daughter) and memories can't be bought.

also, no one else will care or miss one person not playing because game is bigger than one individual. JMHO.
 
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also, no one else will care or miss one person not playing because game is bigger than one individual. JMHO.

Yeah.

I manage to fill out open enrollment forms for 1 kid every year, I reckon I will be smart enough to manage filling them out for another. Not that big of a deal.
 
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I agree with CoachDennis. My DD has played for a great rec ball coach and a very bad travel ball coach. Just because someone coaches travel ball doesn't mean they must be a great coach. Most of the coaches my DD has played for have been awesome and I can truly say she learned from all of them. Even if all she learned was how to handle adversity.
 
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Rec serves a critical service to our sport in allowing players to try the sport, to learn, to participate, to have fun and to play with their friends; in the off chance that they will decide to move up in level. Very few kids come to travel with no Rec experience. Without this community based feeder your travel teams will never get of the ground.

That said; it still comes down to coaching as to how valuable any experience might be.
 
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Not a fan of rec. ball and travel ballers should not play it, but a person can get hurt doing anything. She could have easily broken her finger at your practice or at home goofing around. This is one that cant be blamed on rec. ball.
 
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Some very good comments here! It's opened my eyes to see things a little more differently. Sunday my dd played for her local team so she can make friends before school started seeing that she is new to this area. I heard one of the kids say to my daughter, after she said lets D up girls..We don't have to catch the ball, they can only score 6 runs then we get to hit again.. I thought what kinda s*** is that?? Can rec ball make these travel kids lazy defensive players? Maybe rec leagues need to cut out the run limit per inning?
 
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Our Rec league does away with the run rule after 8U (which can make for some long games at 10U)

Yes - from my experience a lot of girls play to the level of their peers (yes I'm sure there are the Studs who will give all - always) but honestly I have never seen that really happen.

We had a girl play fall rec. at 10U she is a stud athlete and a star on the Boy’s baseball team. Very high potential.

First game she played like the stud she was, but by the end of the fall season she was only slightly above the average. She was no longer playing all out because it was no longer necessary and was not expected.

It's like the old joke about escaping the Bear - You only need to be faster than the slowest guy. And she knew she was still by far the farthest in front of the bear.

If no one pushes you it is hard to excel because you lose perspective and you no longer know where the bench mark is.
 
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I think we sometimes forget these are kids and playing fall ball may not be about getting better for them. It may simple be about wanting to hangout, play with friends and having fun. Is that really such a bad thing?
 
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I think we sometimes forget these are kids and playing fall ball may not be about getting better for them. It may simple be about wanting to hangout, play with friends and having fun. Is that really such a bad thing?

I agree - If it's just something to do Rec is a great activity - If your goal is to hang with friends it a great way to spend the fall. but for the most part it should not be considered a replacement for Practice
 
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I am not one to say much on here but....

Travel ball, depending on the level, can be just as bad as "Rec Ball". I have seen a lot of great coaches coach in "Rec League" and I haven seen a lot of terrible coaches coach travel teams. You would not believe some of the "tips" I have heard from some of the travel coaches my players play for. Most of them are just absolutely ridiculous.

As I travel to clinics and camps I find out that most travel coaches are just fathers/mothers wanting to help their daughters play. The response I always get from some travel coaches is that, "well I read this in a book", or "I watched a clip". Probably 20% of them have stepped onto a fastpitch diamond. Slowpitch does not count, nor does high school baseball.

I give the coaches credit, no matter what level, because they all have one common goal: to better their players as individuals and softball players. The coaches are giving up their own personal time to help these girls. But do not bash "Rec League". Simply because the whole point of the leagues are to develop players to be able to compete at a high level, such as travel ball.
 
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Not a big fan of rec ball anymore although I don't believe that the injury should be blamed on playing rec. It could have happened anytime.
 

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