Do young players adapt?

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With Nationals here and looking at some scores and then schedules of mostly the 10u. If you have a decent to good team at the 10-14u level and you play a tough schedule, with no concern to your record just player development, do the players in most cases adapt to the better hitting, Fielding and pitching? Therefore become better players themselves, playing better teams has a way of exposing a teams weaknesses making practice more productive? Or is there something to be said for trophy hunting and playing in tournaments against teams you know you should handle, giving kids confidence and having them feeling good about themselves?

I'm interested in hearing everybody's thoughts and the cons to one of the schools of thought. Personally I think athletes want to be the best, if we are going to spend this much time and money lets run with the big dogs. I'm not saying I'm right, and that's the reason for the thread LOL.

Nope, they don't adapt well, they just get older and maybe 1 in 100 gets a scholarship.

Go trophy hunting. Have fun and give the kids the confidence they need for high school.
 
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As a true 11u team this season we played as hard a schedule as we could - Lasers Inv, Stringrays, Dayton Metro Nat Q, GAPPS, Doom ASA, Heat n it Up, and ASA 12u State - in addition to a Beavercreek USSSA, ChixCup NSA and Rip n it up.

Our record is 34-19. We told our kids and parents that going .500 would be great for this season. We set that expectation early on. Turns out we won the ChixCup, Beavercreek tourney and a horrible umpire illegal pitch call kept us out of the Rip n it Up final. We scheduled 4 tourny's (see the prev 3 plus the Doom one) that we thought we chould win if we played well. We won 2 and finished 2nd in Doom.

At all the other tourney's we ended up with a slightly higher than .500 record. We played the Lasers, ICE, Heat 97, Orange, Nitro, and other many times. The Nitro/Red are the only other '98 teams we saw week in and week out.

So, are we better? - YES. I have no doubt we are.

In the past 3 weeks the girls have finally become comfortable seeing 55 mph pitching, hard line shots, gappers and great players every game. We had a period in late June where we found our kids 'rushing' and trying too hard .. finally they began to relax, and 2 weekends ago, they rolled at the ChixCup - playing flawless ball to win it. Last weekend at GAPPS we went 3-2 before the rain, losing to the ICE by 3 and Red by 4 runs, each game well played and solid.

Looking back, my observations are this:

1. I would do it again in a minute.
2. You had better have 'mature' girls if you are on the odd year.
3. You need 2 strong pitchers, 1 will not get it done, game in, game out.
4. You need to lower your expectations - our team hit .303 for the season. We had 7 girls over .300 - I was very happy with that. Team era is what won for us: 2.74 - pitching is key.
5. You had better be able to play defense and field rockets off the bat.
6. Outfield is key - they have to run balls down and make plays.
7. PRESSURE / TENSION is large. There are no 'OFF' games, no teams you can beat without bringing your 'A' game - that is what gets the kids, coaches and parents .. every game is hard and intense. We have had to adjust there more than anywhere - it make everyone short tempered and tense .. thankfully we have great parents and when we had our 'moments' we all sit back and thought about the goal - build for next season. The constant parade of great teams that you face every week does wear on everyone. Like I said, just a couple of weeks ago the kids have come to see it as normal and they are playing great... parents and coaches are still trying to adjust and keep our blood pressure's down though.
8. Cost - wow, we have played 6 FRIDAY's now, had 2 hotel stays every weekend.. did not see that coming. We are all out of vacation.
9. Mental quickness / decision making - girls need to know what to do with the ball and do it without hesitation. We asked our kids to throw the ball around the infield, behind runners, etc, early on. (got that from watching the WV Mtn Thunder in Dayton) It cost us some bases early on, now we get outs. Reading situations and making the right throw, taking the extra base, etc. is a key part of what seperates the top 5 teams from the rest as I see it.

I was warned early on that many teams have busted in their effort to play a very hard schedule for the first time, I see why.. it is a huge committment from everyone.

I hope this helps .. we are way better for having made the effort - I can't wait until next season to see how much different it will be at the 12u age.

What I learned as a coach and what we work on now at practice is way ahead of what I had ever thought. My coaches are sponges, every time we saw a drill and set play or coaching move we liked we copied it. There is no comparison between the top 15 teams and all the rest IMHO - they train more, play more and have better players .. it is a whole new experience. Bear in mind that our team has mostly played together since 9u - 7 of the girls started out together at 9u, 9 players moved up from 10u last year to 11u this season. The kids, parents and coaches have over 2 years of being together. We are trying to promote consistancy of roster within our org, getting good players together for several years at a time - tough to do, but we have been lucky so far...

Lastly, I did want to say that it was great to meet so many new coaches and parents .. the Heat '97 gang, Lasers Orange coaches and parents, Stingray's, Nitro, Glory, ICE, Danger and on and on.. all great folks ..we made many, many new friends this season - probably the most rewarding part of the summer...

Great post and EXCELLENT observations!
 
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I thought this article might be helpful from the net and sounds like it might be softball related. However it is about Zoccer by Gary R. Allen with the US Youth Zoccer National Staff and it is not the entire article.

"Our attempts to date have been to create high-quality, structured environments for our "elite players," where they train "purposefully" and play in "meaningful games." We automatically pursue these themes for all players, so that we continue to separate the "serious players" from the "recreational players" for travel play at younger and younger ages.


"We have proceeded with the mistaken notion that development should be something different for the "serious player," than for the "recreational player." The result is that no one is interested in developing the "general" level of play. We ignore the fact that no one at these ages before puberty is a "player. Each player is a 10-, 11- or 12-year old, in various stages of mental, physical and social development. What we term "serious play" is predominantly the earlier manifestation of a particular stage of development in certain kids nothing more."

"The same limited numbers of coaches will vie for the same small numbers of players, and the result still will be that we narrow the pool of potential players at ages when we need to increase the numbers playing. Essentially, it will be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic."


"This is the age-old approach of trying to fit players into the game as played and defined by adults. It ignores the fundamental facts of how youth develop, but also ignores the scope of the game itself."


"From a physical standpoint, youth, from the ages of 11 to 15 are going through the most significant changes in their lives, with great disparity in rate of growth, coordination and maturity."

"The approach of the Europeans, English and Americans miss some fundamental building blocks, understanding how young players learn, and applying those concepts to the free-flowing, problem-solving nature of the game."

"When we were younger, we played in neighborhood sports games. We competed as hard as we could; we tried to make the sides even so it would be fun and challenging. But no matter what the result was on a particular day, the next day brought a new game, new challenges, without the albatross of a season record determining how we would play the next day."


When teaching I always find it funny that especially with females, that if they do not hit well they usually do not throw well! Why is it we do not teach the girls how to throw and catch before we show them how to hit? To do either they must understand what a weight shift is in their body and balance and yet we just seem to skip over the basics and put teams together to win and skip the fundamentals in my opinion.


Say what you want about zoccer however they seem to do a better job of teaching the kids the basic skills required to play the game at a younger age. I admire the player that can run while keeping up with the ball however kicking it and bouncing it off your head even Hitter23 and bouldersdad can do:lmao:
 
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Howard, do you think that by age 14, with some credible coaching from professionals like yourself and backed up by volunteers (and yeah, I know I got that one thing wrong), then the players profit from playing a much stronger schedule?
 
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Howard, do you think that by age 14, with some credible coaching from professionals like yourself and backed up by volunteers (and yeah, I know I got that one thing wrong), then the players profit from playing a much stronger schedule?

Yes! That is the issue is we do not teach them the required skills and just throw them on the field. You have seen me do this your self and predict the out come. Look at what we have demonstrated at the clinics from the so called elite players not being able to throw or get balanced. The coaches do not even understand how to teach how the female balances or why it is different than the male.

For most male coaches we do not have a clue as to how the girls learn and grow through puberty is my opinion. They are not boys!!!!!!

Take laxity in the female and how it effects the shoulder, ACL and ankles and then when they start having periods the parents do not understand why their shoulders, ACL and ankles are hurting and can not tell the difference in poor mechanics or mother nature.

Now add in carrying angle and you wonder why they throw side arm unless taught differently and then you wonder why they are pre disposed to shoulder problems such as torn rotator cuffs etc!

They are not machines and are still growing and learning and yes they learn differently than the boys as too learning modalities but I doubt if most male coaches would understand that either in my opinion.

One of my parents works at Children's Hospital and has been key to helping me understand what some of these girls have to put up with from male coaches. :lmao:

I love the male coaches who preach the MLB tight hand path....by keeping the elbow tucked in tight. The male has a wide shoulder and narrower hip and can do it. The female has a narrower shoulder that is rounded and wider hips and carrying angle as much as 4 to 10 degrees and the male does not! Now add in chest cavity thickness at puberty and then lets add on the breast and see how tight they can keep the elbow tucked in!

As a female you did it your self when I had you pull on the rope slightly away and in closer and you felt that being slightly away you had more mechanical advantage.

After working with Crystl for 10 years now I feel I have an insight to how the elite female feels and her input is valuable as is her network of friends and coaches when we have questions on how something works verses opinions by others. :D

Sorry for the rant....
 
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"...we have questions on how something works verses opinions by others."

Howard, if I understand what you are saying here, this is the Holy Grail of training! Instead of simply accepting what a coach is teaching, they should always ask the coach to explain WHY they are teaching it. This applies to a lot more than just softball skills. Some "teachers" take shortcuts and just attempt to copy the latest fad - not even knowing WHY they are using a certain teaching technique. Understanding the "why" goes hand in hand with understanding the "what".
 

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