Drop 3rd ?

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Does the pitcher get credit for the strikeout on a WP or PB if the batter reaches base safely?

 

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Yes.

Len

 

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Could be an error on the throw or catch at 1st also.

 

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Thanks. That is what I thought, but h.s. coach does not count them as SO. DD had 4 SO in an inning twice yesterday.

 

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Strictly speaking, there cannot be a WP charged on a drop 3rd strike, it is always scored as a PB, and the pitcher is credited with the K.

It is not always scored a PB. I have seen kids swing at pitches way out of the strike zone that even the catcher couldn't get to. So it was scored K-WP. At a high school game last Saturday, a slapper had 2 strikes on her and she got a drop ball that actually hit the front lip of the plate and shot up over the catcher and umpire. The batter swung, missed, and took off for 1st base. It was scored a K-WP.

A "Drop-3rd Strike" doesn't always mean that the catcher dropped the pitch. The definition is "if the 3rd strike touches the ground before a legal catch is made."

 

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Technically it is called an "uncaught third strike". I just thought I'd get that in there for Bretman's sake. In the scorebook it is usually designated by writing the K backwards.

 

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Technically it is called an "uncaught third strike". I just thought I'd get that in there for Bretman's sake. In the scorebook it is usually designated by writing the K backwards.

I thought that the backwards K was a strikeout looking. Am I wrong or is it both?

 

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I thought that the backwards K was a strikeout looking. Am I wrong or is it both?

I was under the same impression and always a have denoted a Dropped 3rd strike in my books a D3K (or backwards "K" for standing) ro D3WP. Depending on the situation. This allows me to track pitch counts more effectively for the Pitcher and provide them with the correct stats.

 

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Well, I use:

K - Strikeout
KC - Strikeout Called
bkwd 'K' - Uncaught 3rd Strike

See local listings.

 

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I would like my dd to get credit for the uncaught K's if she is entitled because we get quite a few in high school.

 

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i normally write K's with a little exponent "L" for looking...for dropped, if it is catcher PB, i scored em K-E2, --2-3 (if there was an out made). but was told it wasnt an error on the catcher recently...i still give credit to pitcher as a k, but is it technically an out? hmmmm...i have also scored K-wp, if i deemed it a wild pitch

 

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i normally write K's with a little exponent "L" for looking...for dropped, if it is catcher PB, i scored em K-E2, --2-3 (if there was an out made). but was told it wasnt an error on the catcher recently...i still give credit to pitcher as a k, but is it technically an out? hmmmm...i have also scored K-wp, if i deemed it a wild pitch

Where do you find the space to write all of that stuff?? Do you have one of them " OLD TIMERS " scorebooks ?? ;&

Have you seen those things ? They're HUGE !!

 

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haha, i have one of the bigger models...this season, i plan on ordering a binder-type, oh what is the name? anyways, my other statdad on the team told me about them, has plenty of room for the things i like to digest during the game (first pitch strikes, bunt attempts, flight of ball).

 

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...i plan on ordering a binder-type, oh what is the name?...

Is it Glover's?

http://www.scorebookstore.com/basc.html

 

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I use the following when keeping the book:

Plain K - strikeout swinging

Circled K - strikeout looking

Backwards K - dropped third strike

 

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thanks cshilt, glovers!

 

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I use the following when keeping the book:

Plain K - strikeout swinging

Circled K - strikeout looking

Backwards K - dropped third strike

This is what I do.

I add "wp" to the backwards K for Wild Pitch Third Strike

Len

 

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I looked this up several places and the common scoring notations I found were
K = Strikeout swinging
Backwards K = Strikeout looking (thats why we always call them "special K's")
KPB or KWP = dropped third strike

No error is charged if other runners advance on a dropped third strike when the batter is out. No error is charged when the batter is not out. A passed ball or wild pitch is charged.

The pitcher is credited with a strikeout even if the batter reaches first on the dropped third strike rule. Score KPB or KWP, whichever the case.

 

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Where do you find the space to write all of that stuff?? Do you have one of them " OLD TIMERS " scorebooks ?? ;&

Have you seen those things ? They're HUGE !!

I like the Glovers but I designed my own in MS Excel that will print to 11x17, both sides. I used a lot of what Glovers has plus added some things that I liked from other scorebooks that I have used.

Since it is single sheets, I can fold it to fit on a clipboard.

 

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Scoring past balls and wild pitches should always be based on the pitch and the catch when any runner advances. Generally, any ball in the dirt is scored WP. PBs are more subjective but if the ball hits the ground before it gets to the catcher, it is a WP.

And , from what I've read, a strikeout is always a strikeout, even if the batter swings at a wild pitch with two strikes with the intent of getting on base by beating the catcher's throw. The pitcher should get credit for any strikeout and I believe the run is unearned when you reconstruct the inning for the ERA calc.