Fair or Foul?

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This seems like a easy question, but have gotten conflicting answers from different sources. Ball is topped down 3rd base line, rolls into the bag at 3rd, then goes foul. Ump calls foul ball. Opposing coach looses his mind stating that it hit the bag in fair territory. Ump states that the bag is placed on the foul line, foul ball. ( I did not get this at all, but OK). I believe that the call was correct because the ball has to pass the bag in order to be fair, which it did not in this case. I have had opposing arguements that it hit an object in fair territory causing it to go foul= fair ball. Anyone have any input on this one?

 

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My opinion.... Fair ball....it 's not any different than the player playing 3rd base touching it in fair territory and then rolling into foul territory.

 

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Fair ball, the bag is inside the foul line with the edge of the bag being the imaginary edge of the foul line if it were to be lined through the bag.

Off the bag into out of play, ground rule double I believe also...

 

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Bad call by ump. By definition in the rules, a ball is fair if it hits first, second, or third base (assuming it didn't first hit something in foul territory, like a fence).

Also bad reason by the ump - the foul line is actually fair territory.

 

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Bad call by ump. By definition in the rules, a ball is fair if it hits first, second, or third base (assuming it didn't first hit something in foul territory, like a fence).

Also bad reason by the ump - the foul line is actually fair territory.

Correct except it still can hit a rock, divot, etc in foul territory before first or third base and still come back into fair territory and be a fair ball. The foul line is actually a fair line and each base is considered to be in fair territory. If the ball comes to rest on the foul line it is a fair ball - just like tennis and futbol where the ball is called out if it's totally outside the lines.

 

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Umpire asked me this one and I got it wrong?
Batter hits a line shot that hits only the pitchers mound (nobody touched it) and then goes past the foul line between 3rd and home plate rolling over by the dugout. Is it a fair or foul ball?

 

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Umpire asked me this one and I got it wrong?
Batter hits a line shot that hits only the pitchers mound (nobody touched it) and then goes past the foul line between 3rd and home plate rolling over by the dugout. Is it a fair or foul ball?

That's a foul ball, also by definition in the rules. I'm not studying to be an ump, but had looked that stuff up earlier in the year.

And you are right on my earlier post, ball needs to hit a structure or equipment in foul territory to be called foul (before ball passes a base). Rocks, divots, etc., are considered part of the field and can legally impact the path of the ball.

 

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Thanks guys. I appreciate the heads up!

 

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rdelawder ? is on the umpire exam. If you have an umpire casebook , many of these questions are easy to answer. It is a good investment and easiser to find answers than looking in a rule book.

 

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Instead of "losing his mind", coach should have filed a protest. Given the umpire's explaination, this was a rule misinterpretation, not a judgment call.

Maybe, if the coach had asked for time, waited for it to be granted, then calmly tried to discuss this he would have gotten somewhere- since he was right about the rule!

Popping a gasket does nothing toward getting the call corrected and, if anything, will probably put the umpire on the defensive, making him dig in his heels and even less likely to listen to what the coach has to say.

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar! Now, I have found that if you really want to catch some flies, the best thing to use is a dead squirrel! Not that that has anything to do with the question- I just like saying that.

 

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Now, I have found that if you really want to catch some flies, the best thing to use is a dead squirrel! Not that that has anything to do with the question- I just like saying that.

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Popping a gasket does nothing toward getting the call corrected and, if anything, will probably put the umpire on the defensive, making him dig in his heels and even less likely to listen to what the coach has to say.

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar! Now, I have found that if you really want to catch some flies, the best thing to use is a dead squirrel! Not that that has anything to do with the question- I just like saying that.

Agreed on the first part, thats pretty much what happened.
ROFL on the last part....good one!!:lmao: