Fair play or shady tactics?

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Our scorekeeper, who is very good, has twice got us outs by catching illegal substitutions. Both times the other team seemed very irritated that we acted on them. My question is, when you notice an illegal substitution, say a batter batting out of turn, should you be Mr. Nice guy and and call time right then and let the other team "correct" their "mistake" or do you let them sleep in the bed they made and call it after they hit a double?
 
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You let it go to see if they get a hit. If they get out you dont say anything.
 
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You wait and see what the batter does. Its up to their scorer to keep track. Fair Play all the way.
 
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luckily we havent been bit by this bug or had it happen from the other side of the field. but before i give my response, how is the jovial statman to keep up with all the rule changes from tourney to tourney?...some tourneys play strict ASA, batting only 9, but this weekend, everyone bats, moms, coaches, all 11 players! and then i'm supposed to figure out who batted out of order, or if they were an EP, played defense. (maybe i had too much sun today)

if i caught it, it would depend on the game situation...close game, i'm not taking chances...blow out game either way, you can bat the fans if you wanted
 
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I dunno---do you think the other team's trying to pull a fast one, or is it maybe an honest mistake? ?I'd like to think I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and let them correct it. ?I know I'm probably hopelessly naive, but I can't believe a coach would purposely try to get one over.

BTW Statman Ray---that is a seriously disturbing picture you've got under your name.
Very twisted. ;)
 
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In a high school game or tounament travel game, all's fair in love, war and softball. You gotta call it after the batter gets on. In a U12 or under game, I probably let the other team get things corrected.
 
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I agree with the majority. If it can benefit your team, it is fair play. Mistake or not.
 
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sorry but you've got to go by the book--

that is just the way it is
furthermore this is a very rare occurance- I can only remember 1, in the last 10 years- (more times than not- the wrong player jersey # was recorded in the lineup. And that is corrected without penalty)

this amuses me-- in a "softball world" were every detail (coaches facilities and umps) are overscrutinized to the 1000th degree-- we would consider "aawwhh that's okay" -- interesting.
 
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I agree with Coach Tig--- rules are rules why have them How many posts do we have about rules and unfair rulings--bad umpires- etc.
 
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Played in Pickerington tournament last weekend and informed umpire of an illegal substitute. His reply, "The opposing coach made a mistake and he would not rule her out". Reason, "We play by my rules not the sanction or tournament rules". So, I let it go and informed tournament representative that I prefer to not have this umpire again. Guess who I had the nxt two games?
 
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Fair play.

The offense has violated a rule. The rule book is very specific on this violation, how it is appealed and the ramifications for breaking it. How can you call that a shady tactic?

I'm going to enforce this rule as written. If we let it slide, what is to prevent the offense from sticking their best hitter at the plate when she is not due up, then saying "oops, we made a mistake". Now that is a shady tactic and exactly what the rule is supposed to prevent.

On some other questions raised:

How do you keep rule changes straight from tourney-to-tourney? Ask the folks running the tournament for a explanation of any special rules when you sign-up, or anytime well-before your team ever sets foot on the field. You should be able to clear things up before it becomes an issue during the game.

You can keep the line-ups straight by: both teams giving an official line-up to the plate umpire before the game and exchanging line-ups with the opposing team before the game. That's the way it's supposed to work, by-the-book. Then your own team's scorekeeper can track it as the game progresses.

On the umpire refusing to enforce a rule, then saying "we play by MY rules, not the official ones", I'm filing a protest on the spot. Get the tournament director involved to, hopefully, correct the problem and, at the same time, inform the umpire that he is an idiot!
 
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There were a lot of different circumstances to consider when we would notice that an illegal player/substitutuion was being used.

Is it a top-tier team?
Is it pool-play or bracket play?
What is the score of the game?

Our general rule is, in Bracket play with top-tier teams, we go for the out. ?

If the offending team was a new or inexperienced team, in pool-play, we would usually ask the opposing coach if they really wanted to use that player. ?This would usually make the coach aware that something wasn't right and then they could correct the situation.

Last year, we were way behind in a game (10+ runs), last at bats, and one of our girls , a sub that we entered into the game the inning before, would not get to bat because of her place in the order. ?I went over to the opposing coach, told him the situation, and ask if we could bat her as the third batter that inning. ?He had no problem with the request.

It all depends on the situation at hand.

Now with that said, I think that the NSA rule for using an illegal player is too heavy handed. Coach and player ejection and an out. I suppose in the adult leagues purposely using illegal players might be a problem but in my short experience with travel ball, I have not seen a coach intentionally use an illegal player. 99% of the time it is rule misunderstanding or dugout confusion. All that I want is the out.
 
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