Help me out about parents/players that jump teams

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It is a double edged sward.

1. As a coach your focus is the team.
2. As a parent your focus is your DD.

It is easier for me as I don't have a DD on the team that I coach. I try to be honest with everyone and be nice at the same time. Your spot is earned on our team and I review stats all of the time. If your a good coach and are honest that all spots are earned and all spots will be moved based on the best choice for the team and everyone is aware of that. That is all you can do. And you hope that most people see you for being fair and genuine.

It is a very very hard line to walk on either side.

Good luck to all and I hope everyone finds their happy place.

Coach Matt
 
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When a player accepts a position on a team, it is for one season, unless otherwise stated, and I have never seen it stated otherwise
 
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Agree with mburk! If coaches would "force" girls to earn their spot we'd see different types of player and parent. Its hard to complain about non playing time when your dd knows this expectation and chooses not to apply herself. But in reality we've all seen girls who never leave their position regardless of the amount of mistakes they make, the lack of effort they show and/or the poor attitude they maintain. When this occurs we all scratch our heads and it makes it much much easier to look at other teams. I'd rather teach my dd not to be taken advantage of then to sit by idly watching these types of teammates and coaches. In my opinion thats a more damaging lesson to learn.
 
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My take comes from having a daughter in travel ball for seven years. I've seen every situation you can think of for people leaving teams during mid season or their engines running for the season to end. My daughter has changed teams but never until the season is over. I don't begrudge the families that left during the season because I don't know of their circumstances. I've come to the opinion that when you pay a large amount of money and you mix in parents spending their whole weekends sitting at ballfields, some with younger children, there will always be parents unhappy about playing time, positions, batting order, coaches, other players, other players parents, how many practices a week you have, etc. It is what it is. This seems to be the game most of us signed up for. I've learned not to worry about all the stuff I can't control and just enjoy my daughter playing softball. Luckily for our family, my daughter has found a great group of girls to play with for the last few years. Good luck to everyone in the world of travel softball. With all the highs and lows my wife and daughter and I wouldn't have changed a thing over the years.
 
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If a player is told by a coach that she is being brought on to play position 'x' and all of a sudden is playing position 'Y'....then a conversation is in order....if coach explains how he is going to work DD in to position 'x'to and you agree....but over the next six months your DD only gets 5 innings in 25 games at the position she was brought on to play AND she happens to be good at it...why would you waste an entire summer NOT playing that position? This game is played to develop young ladies for bigger things but they only have a limited number of years to play it...they won't be 13 forever...just my opinion.

Again I say coaches shouldn't make promises about playing time or positions. Every day is a tryout. Kids' performance does change over the course of a year. Sometimes we get surprised at who steps up and also at who falters.
 
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This goes with the one thing that has always bothered me, there is too many governing bodies in softball. Other sports have only one governing body, one set of tournament rules. The governing body documents rosters and jumping ship mid-season is not allowed. In volleyball you sign a contract comitting you to that team for the season. There is jumping from one club to the next durning a season. Bad coaching, lack of playing time or daddy ball are excuses, you chose where to play at the start of season. You need to finish that resposibilty first. My two cents.
 
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Just one question, what happens if they do go to college and the coach says they will play one position and either changes their mind or recruits a better player? Are the parents going to pull the kid from that college to another? A commitment is a commitment regardless.
 
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I have two DDs playing travel ball and we follow these guidelines:

1. Once a commitment is made for the year, we stick to it. Only exception would be abusive or dangerous situation which we haven't had.

2. Once the year is over the commitment is gone and we need to do what is best for our DDs and family. If that means we switch teams, we switch teams. To me the organization/team/coach is a product/experience I am buying for my kids at $500-$1000 a year. Not a lifetime commitment.

4 years of travel ball and we havn't changed organizations yet...
 
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It's a 1 year contract, players come and go for every reason imaginable. You can't take it personally, just learn and move on.
 
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I'm not sure about everyone else, but I see it as an investment in my daughter's overall growth as well. In that 500-1000 there should be instruction and mentoring as well as uniforms and games. If you make that sort of investment and are unhappy, don't you owe it to yourself and your dd to first try to talk to the coach and work it out. Discuss expectations- both ways- before committing? I cannot believe how cut throat some of these parents and coaches are at 10U. How can you expect loyalty and commitment when they learn from these people? We are molding young women, not just a ball player.... There's so much more. I'm tired of hearing- you don't understand- it's travel ball and not rec ball. BOTH should consider the audience- CHILDREN that look to us to teach them. If coaches and parents fail them at the younger ages, what monsters do we have in the older ranks? Kids sports get way out of control. Why can't it be competitve AND fun?
 
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But in reality we've all seen girls who never leave their position regardless of the amount of mistakes they make, the lack of effort they show and/or the poor attitude they maintain. When this occurs we all scratch our heads and it makes it much much easier to look at other teams. I'd rather teach my dd not to be taken advantage of then to sit by idly watching these types of teammates and coaches


Aint that the truth........


do you ever hear a story about someone quitting school ball over the same reasons they quit travel ball ?

What would happen if you had to sit a year before you could change travel teams ?
 
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Again I say coaches shouldn't make promises about playing te or positions. Every day is a tryout. Kids' performance does change over the course of a year. Sometimes we get sur prised at who steps up and also at who falters.

If that were the case, you'd be right. In our case, the position was never cometed for. DD never didn't even get to take IF practice at the position. Ive stayed on teams for abusive coaches and for daddy ball coaches. At least they were honest and she earned her playing time at her position. Unfortunately, it appeared that it was promises to OTHER players that worked against my DD. The choice to leave was a difficult one, but the right one. Anybody who has seen her play knows it was unfathomable that she couldnt even get garbage time at her position.
 
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If a player is told by a coach that she is being brought on to play position 'x' and all of a sudden is playing position 'Y'....then a conversation is in order....if coach explains how he is going to work DD in to position 'x'to and you agree....but over the next six months your DD only gets 5 innings in 25 games at the position she was brought on to play AND she happens to be good at it...why would you waste an entire summer NOT playing that position? This game is played to develop young ladies for bigger things but they only have a limited number of years to play it...they won't be 13 forever...just my opinion.

I agree Al. Transparency is the key... and the player may not like spot Y... so, that could be an even bigger battle to not only teach spot Y but clear her internal mental tornado. Good luck with that!
 
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I think coaches should never promise anything dealing with playing time or positions. Both of those are earned not given. I also think the only reason you should leave a team is if the coach is being abusive to the kid. Other than that i think once you make a commitment you shoud see it through to the end. If you don't see it through to the end what does that teach the kid.
 
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I'll speak my mind and throw in my two cents....
Last year we had 14 girls on our roster and it seemed no one was too happy. We had several girls from one school, several levels of playing ability, so we decided to divide into two 16U teams, calling them Red and Black, but it was clearly an "A" and "B" team. Some girls were not happy with their "B" team assignment, but only one girl decided to leave, and it was because the dad did not think she should play on the "B" team.
We had some incredible tryouts. We had more girls with talent at our tryouts than we had ever had before, and that was mainly due to our success last summer.
We picked up girls and had to turn away some girls that in other years we would have loved to have had on our team. Both Red and Black teams had commitments from 12 girls and we were set for the winter and the next season.
The Black team played fall ball, and had to pick up some girls from the red team to fill in. We had a pretty successful fall ball season. However, two of the girls we had picked up never played fall ball...one was sick all fall and the other played volleyball. In November we got an email that one of them could not commit to the travel and expenses of travel ball. A couple days later the other quit to concentrate on volleyball. These were two of our "prized" new players that took the spots of girls that we turned down. We had some more tryouts to fill these spots and ran across two more players. They both committed to us. One played an indoor tournament with us, but the other had to call in at the last minute and cancel because she could not get off work.
School ball came and went and no one said anything about not wanting to play summer ball. Two days before our first tournament one of our December pickups decided she did not want to play summer ball. The next day, the day before our first tournament, our other December pick up was forced off by her parents for poor behavior, leaving us with 10 players on our summer roster.
We played that first tournament and won it going 5 and 0. As a team we hit 11 homers, over the fence, in those 5 games. We had three pitchers pitch well for us and we looked like a very strong team, regardless of the small roster of 10 players. On Thursday of the next week, on of the pitchers, that got the 2nd most innings pitching, decided that she was not getting enough playing time and quit. We now had 9 players on our roster heading into the Dayton Metro.
At the underclassman all star tryouts I saw someone that used to play against us and talked for a few minutes about our roster. A day or so later he asked if his daughter could come and play for us to be closer to home. Our roster was back at 10.
Dayton Metro was a disaster for us. One of our girls got real sick...104 temp and was out for the weekend. Two girls had ACT on Saturday. One took a school trip to the Bahamas so she was gone for 10 days. We picked up two non travel players to get through the weekend and actually only lost one game going into Sunday. SUnday morning I woke up to the text that the girl we had just picked up didn't like playing every minute of every game at 2nd base, so she was quitting. That left us no choice but to pick up another non-travel player. So, this same team the week before that had won their first tournament in convincing fashion, had to play the Lasers Black team with three girls that didn't play travel ball. Needless to say we lost and were out of that tournament real early.
We kept trying to pick up players to get our roster up to 10 or 11 players, but we could not get the extra players. Some girls came to sub for us on occasion, but no one would commit to us, even with seriously reduced fees.
We had a pretty strong 10 players two weeks ago at the CIncy Metro when disaster hit us. Our SS, and best hitter, hit first base awkwardly running out a meaningless grounder in a 7 to 1 game in the last inning. We had played a player earlier in the game and pulled her so we had no subs. She limped up and went into left field for the last inning, but she was not right. Torn meniscus. Out for what is now the remaining part of our season. We lost the next game and lost our last chance at "A" Nationals in Montgomery, and we were down to 8 regular players. We picked up players over the next two weekends to make it through, but we were a shell of what we were earlier in the season.
We were settling for the Eastern Nationals in York Pa, with the hopes our SS could make it back and we had two pick up players that would really help us make a strong run in York. Last week, one of the players said they could not play because their dad could not get off work. Tuesday, our other SS broke her ankle in volleyball camp, and yesterday the other sub said they were playing with another team in South Carolina. Our roster had 6 healthy players, and no hope of going to play anywhere next week.
In a season that had so much promise for us, has seen it crash and burn like no other team I have ever been associated with.
Bad luck is partly to blame, but parents and players that commit and decommit at the drop of a hat are a major source of frustration for me right now. I'd love to start a black ball list of players that jump ship at the first sign of their daughter having to work for something. It would be nice to have it posted on here for everyone to see so you know not to count on them.
Our season is over after this weekend as we limp into the Midwest all sanctioned World Series. The same team that came in second in Lasers, won their first tournament at West Liberty, and had so much promise early in the year, is sitting home next weekend, not going to the thing we set our sights on...A nationals, or next best, B Nationals. There's our season in a nutshell. Very disheartening how a few peoples' decision to not play after committing can ruin the season of so many.
 
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Oh my!! And I thought our season was bad with non-committed players!! What bothers me the most, is that there are 16U girls who are playing their final year at 16U that can now not attend a nationals because of them!!
 
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My DD was the #1 pitcher on her team. She was a 5th year 10u player. Had every right to have the weight of her team on her shoulders. I told the head coach that that we didn't want her to pitch 90% of the time... she had pitched 24 games in 23 days as a 9u player to follow it up with 19 games in 17 day in 2011. WE HAD TO HAVE A SECOND AND THIRD PITCHER!...We moved her up to 12u, understanding that she would sacrifice pitching time for a chance to learn a position. She earned a spot at third, batting 4 hole on a 12u team, and earned a pitching spot as the #2 pitcher. and still had to justify why she was where she was...To the parents. I don't know where you just tip you hat to a player and say you are what you are. Not trying to justify...but feel like it was referenced in this thread.
 
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My DD was the #1 pitcher on her team. She was a 5th year 10u player. Had every right to have the weight of her team on her shoulders. I told the head coach that that we didn't want her to pitch 90% of the time... she had pitched 24 games in 23 days as a 9u player to follow it up with 19 games in 17 day in 2011. WE HAD TO HAVE A SECOND AND THIRD PITCHER!...We moved her up to 12u, understanding that she would sacrifice pitching time for a chance to learn a position. She earned a spot at third, batting 4 hole on a 12u team, and earned a pitching spot as the #2 pitcher. and still had to justify why she was where she was...To the parents. I don't know where you just tip you hat to a player and say you are what you are. Not trying to justify...but feel like it was referenced in this thread.
A fifth year 10u player? I'm not really sure what that means, but I surmise that she's been in this game since age 5. Nonetheless, that many games a 9u is a bit much. Her new situation as a #2 sounds more relaxing and I'm sure she will develop just fine as a pitcher. Keep this in mind. At 14u, the strikeouts start to fall. At 16u and 43 feet, the strikeouts really fall and ball placement, change of speed and fielding become much more important. Her roles and abilities will /might change. If she wants to kick arse, then find a team where that's appreciated. If she wants to be happy with her team, find a fun team. If you want cool parents who have a life, seek them out. Travel ball has it all. Just hope that you're lucky enough to find the right fit.
 
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My dd is a 5th year 10u player too. That just means they usually have older sisters who play so they got in the game extra early. We learn 'em good and early out here in the sticks!!
 

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