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If a pitched ball hits the ground and then the batter is the batter awarded first base
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Yes, as long as in the umpires judgement, the batter tried to get out of the way.
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Please see my post in this thread:
http://www.game-ex.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=general&action=display&num=1150372168
http://www.game-ex.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=general&action=display&num=1150372168
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So to be clear as mud...
If the batter swings and the ball hits her hands and bat at the same time, the effect is "hit by pitch" and the runner is awarded first base?
The batter becomes a batter-runner...when a pitched ball not swung at or called a strike touches any part of the batter's person or clothing. It does not matter if the ball strikes the ground before hitting the batter. The batter's hands are not to be considered a part of the bat.
EFFECT: The ball is dead. The batter is entitled to one base without liability to be put out.
EXCEPTION: If no attempt is made to avoid being hit, the batter will not be awarded first base unless it is ball four.
If the batter swings and the ball hits her hands and bat at the same time, the effect is "hit by pitch" and the runner is awarded first base?
The batter becomes a batter-runner...when a pitched ball not swung at or called a strike touches any part of the batter's person or clothing. It does not matter if the ball strikes the ground before hitting the batter. The batter's hands are not to be considered a part of the bat.
EFFECT: The ball is dead. The batter is entitled to one base without liability to be put out.
EXCEPTION: If no attempt is made to avoid being hit, the batter will not be awarded first base unless it is ball four.
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If a batter swings and the balls hits any part of her person including hands .The ball becomes dead and a strike on the batter and if it is the third strike she is out.
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thanks everyone for the answers,I thought she got awarded first base but wasn't sure.
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"If the batter swings and the ball hits her hands and bat at the same time..."
The first determination the umpire must make is if the pitch hit one or the other- either the hands or the bat- first.
For something to occur simultaneously at the exact same instant in time is almost impossible and nearly beyond the human ability to detect.
That statement might muddy the waters a bit, but is a fact that we can't escape. From a practical standpoint, if the hands and bat were hit at the exact same precise instant in time, the umpire will most likely judge that the ball hit the hands.
That is a glimpse at one piece of judgement the umpire must consider on this play. It may seem like we're splitting hairs here, but it is a determination that must be made before the proper rule can be applied.
Let's suppose that the umpire decides the pitch hit the batter's hands first.
Anytime a batter's "person or clothing" is hit by a pitch, the first thing that happens is that the ball becomes dead. All play must stop- runners can't advance or be put out.
If the batter was swinging at the pitch, the correct call is a strike. One strike will be added to the batter's count and if it is strike three the batter is out.
If she was not swinging, the umpire must judge if the batter either attempted to avoid the pitch or if the pitch was unavoidable. If she did attempt to avoid, or if the pitch could not possibly be avoided, then the batter is awarded first base.
Two other things to judge on a hit batter:
Was the batter hit on a portion of her body that was inside the strike zone? If yes, then we have a dead ball and a strike added to the count. If strike three, batter is out.
Was the batter hit with the ball in front of the plate, preventing the pitch from entering the strike zone? Here again, we have a dead ball, a strike and if strike three batter is out.
So that's all the stuff we have to consider if a batter is hit by a pitch. If the ball hits the hands, or batter, first it is irrelevent if the ball then hits the bat. The instant it hit the batter the ball became dead. Where it goes from there has no further bearing on the play.
And what if the ball hits the bat first and then touches the batter, while she is still holding the bat and in the batter's box?
In that case we have a dead ball and a foul ball is declared.
If less than two strikes, add one strike to the count like any other foul ball. If two strikes, the batter remains at bat. If she was hit on a bunt attempt, then the batter would be out.
There sure are a lot of things to consider on this play! But before any ruling can be made, we have to determine if the pitch first hit the batter or the bat.
The first determination the umpire must make is if the pitch hit one or the other- either the hands or the bat- first.
For something to occur simultaneously at the exact same instant in time is almost impossible and nearly beyond the human ability to detect.
That statement might muddy the waters a bit, but is a fact that we can't escape. From a practical standpoint, if the hands and bat were hit at the exact same precise instant in time, the umpire will most likely judge that the ball hit the hands.
That is a glimpse at one piece of judgement the umpire must consider on this play. It may seem like we're splitting hairs here, but it is a determination that must be made before the proper rule can be applied.
Let's suppose that the umpire decides the pitch hit the batter's hands first.
Anytime a batter's "person or clothing" is hit by a pitch, the first thing that happens is that the ball becomes dead. All play must stop- runners can't advance or be put out.
If the batter was swinging at the pitch, the correct call is a strike. One strike will be added to the batter's count and if it is strike three the batter is out.
If she was not swinging, the umpire must judge if the batter either attempted to avoid the pitch or if the pitch was unavoidable. If she did attempt to avoid, or if the pitch could not possibly be avoided, then the batter is awarded first base.
Two other things to judge on a hit batter:
Was the batter hit on a portion of her body that was inside the strike zone? If yes, then we have a dead ball and a strike added to the count. If strike three, batter is out.
Was the batter hit with the ball in front of the plate, preventing the pitch from entering the strike zone? Here again, we have a dead ball, a strike and if strike three batter is out.
So that's all the stuff we have to consider if a batter is hit by a pitch. If the ball hits the hands, or batter, first it is irrelevent if the ball then hits the bat. The instant it hit the batter the ball became dead. Where it goes from there has no further bearing on the play.
And what if the ball hits the bat first and then touches the batter, while she is still holding the bat and in the batter's box?
In that case we have a dead ball and a foul ball is declared.
If less than two strikes, add one strike to the count like any other foul ball. If two strikes, the batter remains at bat. If she was hit on a bunt attempt, then the batter would be out.
There sure are a lot of things to consider on this play! But before any ruling can be made, we have to determine if the pitch first hit the batter or the bat.
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