Hitting and Hitters Discussion Hitting fixes

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I do not have any clips to post that is not copyrighted...Look at the post about copyrights however I have RVP and can slow the speed up or down or frame by frame.

I see what he is saying and see some rotation or movement however it is not a yes/ no issue with me or what we teach. I see it more prevalent on some players more than others and at this point I agree to disagree and let the kids stats speak for it self as to what we teach and believe. Does it happen eventually? Yes! When it happens could it be the hitters style verses mechanics. Maybe it is how we teach what we think we see that is making the difference...when the heel is not down we see the front side opening to much and that in and of itself causes more problems especially on outside pitches. So we choose not to teach it and say rotate as needed and get the heel down as soon as possible based on spin, speed and pitch recognition. I have seen clips of Hank Arron that look like he was hitting like Charlie Lau Sr. taught, TSW, etc bottom line he put the ball in play pretty well...could you teach that exactly, probably not as there is a lot of style and ability involved that most people do not have. Look at Babe Ruth and tell me what you would teach and not teach.

 

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okay at least you admit you see waht lenski sees and that is rotaton that lenski sees. thank you for beeng honest.

 

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It is great there is so much passion and this has been a great thread. I will tell you and absolute FACT. Stats can be and are misleading, I see players stats all the time and they are valuable but hardly validate a players ability in many cases.

I think Howard is a knowledgeable about hitting as anyone I have ever met. He uses video and that is a great tool. I think we are getting carried away with the video, again I think it is a great tool. The reality is we can find great results with a bad swing and poor results with a great swing. I think my point is being proven now with the back and forth about heel plant and hip rotation.

Len makes some great points and then we get someone wanting video from one of Len’s students, wow. I failed to see where Len ever said he gave lessons.

 

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Thanks Chip you proved my point. I agree stats can be misleading. Videos can prove anyones point of view all you need is the internet. We can all watch the same thing and see it differently, just like an argument on Politics. If you are not working with students to see if something works on not, It's like reading how to drive a car without ever driving one!. How would you prove or test and idea?

 

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If you can't use "stats" and you can't use "video" then what do you use to measure success?? You guys are so funny!!!:lmao:

 

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if you can't use "stats" and you can't use "video" then what do you use to measure success?? You guys are so funny!!!:lmao:

lol...exactly!!!

 

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It is great there is so much passion and this has been a great thread. I will tell you and absolute FACT. Stats can be and are misleading, I see players stats all the time and they are valuable but hardly validate a players ability in many cases.

I think Howard is a knowledgeable about hitting as anyone I have ever met. He uses video and that is a great tool. I think we are getting carried away with the video, again I think it is a great tool. The reality is we can find great results with a bad swing and poor results with a great swing. I think my point is being proven now with the back and forth about heel plant and hip rotation.

Len makes some great points and then we get someone wanting video from one of Len?s students, wow. I failed to see where Len ever said he gave lessons.

Ok help me out , im not trying to be a smart butt but trying to understand, if stats are misleading, what gets all these hitters we are studying into the hall of fame or makes them recognised as a great hitter ,
Isnt stats how we determine who bats in what hole?.Stats are on the back of every players card put in a pack of bubblegum ( reminds me of a joke about blowing bubbles) If i send a video and profile of my dd to you as a college coach and she only bats a buck 25 but i still tell you shes a great hitter, what are you going to base your opinion on, youll probably laff at me and say take her down the road, but if a hitter sends you statts that shows shes a 500 plus hitter you say i need to check this kid out.
I dont believe stats are the end all, but they are a measure of success and failure, and it is one of the key ways i use to see how students measure up that i teach.
Again please dont take this as an attack, i have learned alot off this thread, and hope to learn more, but if there is another true way of measuring success please let me know, i need all the help i can get

Tim

 

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Howard maybe you can calm the posse down. Major league players are hitting off of major league pitchers, I thought you knew that. Some high school pitchers are superior to others and if you take two equal hitters and one faces bad pitching and one faces good pitching, I feel reasonably certain that the hitter facing bad pitching would have better stats. Take a good hitter playing an ASA schedule and take a good hitter playing a USSSA schedule, do you think one would have better stats?

 

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Chip im not part of a possee lol, im just trying to understand, nothnig more nothnig less, i do understand your reasoning from that last post , that was one of the things i was looking for , thanks

Tim

 

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If you can't use "stats" and you can't use "video" then what do you use to measure success?? You guys are so funny!!!:lmao:

Some of us can judge a hitter by watching them. You will have to tell me how long you have been recruiting college student/athletes and maybe I can better understand your humor.
I have never recruited a player from a video nor recruited them from the stats they send. I will take a look at the stats, try to see who they were putting those numbers up against. Video is a totally different animal. Think about this, pay your hard earned money to get a video made and ship it to some schools. What do you think is going to be on the video, bad swings? I think I made it crystal clear that I use video and that it is a good thing.

 

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Howard maybe you can calm the posse down. Major league players are hitting off of major league pitchers, I thought you knew that. Some high school pitchers are superior to others and if you take two equal hitters and one faces bad pitching and one faces good pitching, I feel reasonably certain that the hitter facing bad pitching would have better stats. Take a good hitter playing an ASA schedule and take a good hitter playing a USSSA schedule, do you think one would have better stats?

here you go

 

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lol...exactly!!!

and coach sunny
you may want to accomplish something before you disrespect anyone.

 

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It is great there is so much passion and this has been a great thread. I will tell you and absolute FACT. Stats can be and are misleading, I see players stats all the time and they are valuable but hardly validate a players ability in many cases.

I think Howard is a knowledgeable about hitting as anyone I have ever met. He uses video and that is a great tool. I think we are getting carried away with the video, again I think it is a great tool. The reality is we can find great results with a bad swing and poor results with a great swing. I think my point is being proven now with the back and forth about heel plant and hip rotation.

Len makes some great points and then we get someone wanting video from one of Len?s students, wow. I failed to see where Len ever said he gave lessons.

please read carefully

 

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Major league players are hitting off of major league pitchers, I thought you knew that. Some high school pitchers are superior to others and if you take two equal hitters and one faces bad pitching and one faces good pitching, I feel reasonably certain that the hitter facing bad pitching would have better stats. Take a good hitter playing an ASA schedule and take a good hitter playing a USSSA schedule, do you think one would have better stats?

Major league players are hitting off A, AA, AAA pitching as well. Which is the equivalent of hitting off PONY, USSSA, NSA in respect to travel ball. If we were to use ASA as a comparison to MLB, you would still have A, AA, AAA throwing in the MLB where stats are still held in high regard last time I read a MLB record book. ALL stats are relavent at any level of ball. Read the book "Moneyball" if you think otherwise.

 

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Facts, not VIDEOS PROVE A POINT! Show me results. Read boulders dad post. If these work so well give me some results from students that you teach !
Besides your view point is very obvious one sided from your posts. .

and heres SBFAMILY AGAIN!!
Thanks Chip you proved my point. I agree stats can be misleading. Videos can prove anyones point of view all you need is the internet. We can all watch the same thing and see it differently, just like an argument on Politics. If you are not working with students to see if something works on not, It's like reading how to drive a car without ever driving one!. How would you prove or test and idea?

Not trying to p*ss anyone off but am I missing something?
HUH!!

Mike

 

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Their actually lemmings Chip...posse would lead to Judge Roy Bean justice.

When our kids go West to play and out hit the other kids on their team who hit well in high school and continue to struggle in ASA or Gold you can rely on the data.

A pitcher who does not face quality hitters faces the same issue with strike outs in my opinion. Then she faces quality hitters and gets lit up so it looks like she had a bad day.

When you know the pitchers and who they go to for instruction it levels the playing field as to data/ stats when you also know who they go to for hitting it also tells you about the data and stats in my opinion.

The one pitcher who you will be signing soon gets 12 to 14 strike outs when she plays certain teams who arbitrarily put their kids up in front of the plate...good pitcher? Yes! Good hitting? From a few! Bad coaching technique? Yep! Data relevant ? Nope! Still in the books as a strike out? Yep!

Does she hit every pitcher she faces pretty much so...rely on that data!

Mel was O.U. offensive player of the year...as a freshman! Good data if the pitchers are known and to come from high school and start as a freshman tells you the data was good.

Tims daughter is one of these kind of kids in my opinion!

 

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Major league players are hitting off A, AA, AAA pitching as well. Which is the equivalent of hitting off PONY, USSSA, NSA in respect to travel ball. If we were to use ASA as a comparison to MLB, you would still have A, AA, AAA throwing in the MLB where stats are still held in high regard last time I read a MLB record book. ALL stats are relavent at any level of ball. Read the book "Moneyball" if you think otherwise.

Are you serious? Major league players hit off of major league pitching not A AA AAA and please answer my question.

 

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and coach sunny
you may want to accomplish something before you disrespect anyone.

Chip,

I know of you but dont know you personally. I was not addressing you but since you addressed me I will respond!

I coached against your assistant many times and he can tell you that our games were ALWAYS battles...sometimes he won and sometimes I won but we always battled. I definitely was not trying to be disrespectful...I was just agreeing with a very obvious point by Lady Knights which is that STATS and VIDEO are very helpful in evaluating a player. Why do MOST college coaches request a skills video if this is not true? Almost every college who is recruiting my daughter has asked for one. They do it because it is EASY to see good TALENT on video!!! I do not need to brag about my accomplishments...they can speak for themselves! My win % was well over .700 over the five years I had my travel team. I didnt coach last year but am returning this year. The accomplishments of the girls who play and have played for me is what matters most to me...measure me by that if you would like. I am not looking for an argument from you. I have had players who you have instructed (Pitching/Hitting) in the past and am not seeking to make judgement unless you would like me to.

Sonny

 

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Chip

Could you share with us on what kinds of things you look for when selecting a player for NKU.

Seeing them play is one.

What about players you don't get to see in person. Or does that ever happen.




If there are any other college coach's reading this, I am sure allot of us OFC'ers would like to hear it.




Straightleg

 

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Chip

You teach hitting.
Could you share a common problem you see, and a fix
that works for you.




Straightleg