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What we teach for basic throwing...



Take a ball and use electric tape and divide the ball in half so the fingers will be positioned to throw a four seam ball and wrap it around the circumference of the ball. This is done so when throwing if done properly you will see the tape rotating as half and half and if not it will appear to be tumbling.

The idea is whoever you are throwing with will be able to see it and you will know if you are staying on top of the ball and releasing it properly.

Start by taking your throwing arm and placing it inside the pocket of the glove so the elbow and forearm are some what restricted as we only want the thrower to be able to move their wrist up then down.

Hold the ball in the hand and think holding it more with your finger tips and not in the palm of the hand, you should be able to at least get a baby finger between the palm of the hand and ball.

Throw the ball using mainly your wrist so as to induce back spin so the ball will fly in more of a straight line and so the ball is moving with the tape coming at you in a half and half pattern.

Once you have mastered that we progress to demonstrating how the lead arm elbow is used. Have the thrower lie on their back and give them a ball and have them get their elbow above the shoulder at minimum with the back of their ball hand in contact with the floor. While keeping the back of the hand in contact with the floor have them raise only their elbow 10 times while their hand stays on the floor as we want them to grasp the concept of the elbow leading the hand. Many throwers want to keep the elbow below the shoulder and just pivot it and throw. Usually the shoulder and elbow are hurting when they throw this way.
Now have them throw the ball up in the air leading with the elbow and catch it. If they can catch it we consider it a good throw.

We predict one of three things will happen; if they throw the ball towards their feet they may have palmed the ball or did not lead with the elbow, if it goes behind them the ball is being held primarily with the finger tips and if it goes straight up it was a good throw.

Now have the player stand up and get at least a shoulders width separation in their stance and bend at the waist and soften the knees and start with the glove and ball in the gathered position in the center of the chest.

Slide the right foot to the left foot instep and as you step with left foot, break the ball out of the glove downward with the elbow above the ball and make a circle upwards and lead with the elbow and throw. The lead elbow is flexed so we can see the back of the glove.

Did the back leg release and follow forward?

If not stress landing on the ball of the foot with a flexed front knee and get the player to think nose over the toes and to finish with the throwing hand coming to the left thigh to slow the arm down after release as 80 % of the arm injuries are after deceleration not during acceleration or the act of throwing.

After a few more throws introduce the martial arts move of tucking the lead hand in under the arm pit however do not touch the rib cage area. When punching in martial arts we do not extend our punches by allowing the shoulders to go beyond parallel from where we started. So as we pull the glove hand back we are turning the hand so as we tuck it in we are palm up. We do this by standing in front of the player and inter locking the glove hand fingers and as I throw I tuck my arm back under the shoulder and say tuck me in or pull me in so they feel the force generated to the actual throwing arm side.

We see many players just pull the glove back to the chest area resulting in a less than powerful throw.

As they continue to progress make sure they are striding forward and their momentum is going straight ahead. Some times if they are landing with a stiff front leg they will be throwing across their body and moving towards their left.

This is not situational throwing and is only the basic concept of throwing, lets say from the outfield to the cut off person.

After we teach this phase we have them get in their hitting stance and inter lock their fingers like a golf grip and with the ball in the top hand have them load, toe touch and throw the ball with both hands to see if they squished the bug. I stand behind them so my foot is against the side of their back foot to prevent them from squishing the bug.
 
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A little off subject here.......... you kids may not play well with others but you defiantly get the views, the last 2 threads of this love fest have realy brought in the readers
 
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Hey Howard,

We made a knock off of the hand path device you had at the Bustos clinic. We used it at our hammer drill station and now we are using it at the different t-stations to reinforce as needed. You can see the look in the girls eyes when they get it and this device certainly helps.

Thanks for your help.

John
 
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.... Do I whore myself out to push a product and an agenda? No I do not. Do I need to throw names around to make me feel important? No I do not. Am I stable and confident about myself? Yes I am. What is wrong is trying to learn?

Mike it has been obvious from the start that you and Len have an agenda regarding these hitting discussions. I don't know who you're trying to fool, but it is obvious that you have a chip on your shoulder regarding Howard. That is fine, you don't have to like the man and we don't have to all get along.

I'm sure to some that when Howard references the names of people that he has worked with it sounds like name dropping, but I take it as a way to build credentials. If you look at Howard as just some guy coaching out of his garage, then you might be leary to send your kid to him. If, however, you know that he has worked with Bustos, Candrea, Slaught and others then that helps build credibility. If you want to take it the wrong way, that is fine as well.
 
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I dont train. I have a daytime job and a dd that plays. When I get home from work I help my kids with their homework, take them where they need to go, help make sure they are ready for bed, then when I get a chance I get on the OFC. I coach. I teach on the field and not in a garage or a clinic. I have not been doing this as long as you either. So trust me, I contribute when I can, where I can. Do I know everything? Absolutely not. Do I whore myself out to push a product and an agenda? No I do not. Do I need to throw names around to make me feel important? No I do not. Am I stable and confident about myself? Yes I am. What is wrong is trying to learn?

By the way, who in the heck is "we"? You always say "we" when trying to explain something. If you are so nationally renownded, then why are you worrying about little ole' me? Do you have a man crush on me? I should be nothing to you if you were so important. Names please? Who are "we"?

Now "we" must get back to work to make a living.

Mike

Team building 101 never take the credit with using I....

We are the people who I have worked with at no charge to help them and if they don't like what I do don't come back. If they don't get the desired results go some where else and drink from their well of knowledge...it is pretty simple....I can't remember whose arm I broke recently getting them to come here but give me some time and I will remember it as I just turned 60.

I am sure you are a good dad enough said about that.

I choose to work in the garage as it is convenient for me and I only teach hitting and the very basic stuff most coaches skip as I term them a foundation, such as throwing, glove positions when catching a ball, basic fielding foot work, sliding, drop step weather permitting. Our son is grown and I coached some of his teams.

As to credit since you have never been to any of our clinic's I always give credit to the people who have taught me and given me their time at the beginning of the clinic. I never have claimed to know it all and having resources to go to helps....where would your daughter be playing if Chip and Lenski and I am sure many others had not helped you and your daughter? You claim you have no shame then come to a clinic with an open mind and lets see what we can do to help you?

Since there is snow still on the ground I bet I can write my name in cursive! Can you even print yours?:yahoo:
 
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Hey Howard,

We made a knock off of the hand path device you had at the Bustos clinic. We used it at our hammer drill station and now we are using it at the different t-stations to reinforce as needed. You can see the look in the girls eyes when they get it and this device certainly helps.

Thanks for your help.

John

You are welcome...we saw another one of your coaches at the WSU clinic and for a moment I thought it was you and he said just because we are both bald we look like twins.
 
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Mike it has been obvious from the start that you and Len have an agenda regarding these hitting discussions. I don't know who you're trying to fool, but it is obvious that you have a chip on your shoulder regarding Howard. That is fine, you don't have to like the man and we don't have to all get along.

I'm sure to some that when Howard references the names of people that he has worked with it sounds like name dropping, but I take it as a way to build credentials. If you look at Howard as just some guy coaching out of his garage, then you might be leary to send your kid to him. If, however, you know that he has worked with Bustos, Candrea, Slaught and others then that helps build credibility. If you want to take it the wrong way, that is fine as well.


Woa there chief. I didnt start the flinging. Howard called me out first. Get your facts straight. Howard thought he was the only one giving out information. I stated that others had given detailed information also. Howard agreed with me and then tried to call me out. It starts on page 8 so you might want to start reading from there. Where is this "agenda" you are talking about? This thread was civil and informative until the big guys bottom lip started quivering because he felt he was being used for his information. Wa Wa Wa grow up!

And while we're here lets set the record straight. I do not like Howard. That does not mean that I do not respect him because he IS very knowlegable in what he is teaching. I have tried to befriend Howard in the past and dd has taken a few hitting lessons with him. I felt it was time to cut bait when he kept bashing certain local coaches, some who happen to be friends of mine. I do find most of his posts good and informative. I do not set out trying to stir the pot with him or any of his "lemmings". While it is noble that you stand up for him, you just dont know the real story.

All I have done on this thread before it fell apart was ask questions and thank people for their responses. Is that an agenda to you? The only agenda I have is to learn.

Hey Howie, it's all gravy :lmao:

Miek.......err Mike ;&
 
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Woa there chief. I didnt start the flinging. Howard called me out first. Get your facts straight. Howard thought he was the only one giving out information. I stated that others had given detailed information also. Howard agreed with me and then tried to call me out. It starts on page 8 so you might want to start reading from there. Where is this "agenda" you are talking about? This thread was civil and informative until the big guys bottom lip started quivering because he felt he was being used for his information. Wa Wa Wa grow up!

Mike, I have been following these threads since they started so I'll have to disagree with you regarding who stopped being civil first. Howard said:

I feel like I am being the guinea pig for a lot of this and would like to hear how someone else does it in detail not rhetoric of I agree etc as I feel it is only fair...why should I be the only trail blazer of how we do it verses what someone else is doing. What is it that they are doing as we do clinics and show it ....what are others actually doing and explain it in a little more detail please.

Thank you.

He didn't call anyone out by name, but asked for other opinions. You replied with:

Not trying to start anything just making an observation....I have seen Bouldersdad, Sbfamilies, Lenski, and Chip answer every question posed to them. You are not the only one responding on how you do it.

To which Howard replied with the following:

Agreed how do you teach throwing Mike?

Thanks Howard

Hardly an attempt to embarrass you or call you out. Other than the writing in the snow comment, Howard has appeared to play nice. You, on the other hand, seem to be trying to bait Howard.
 
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Everyone is entilted to their opinion and mine is to call it a garage is unjust. That thing is a study of hitting evolution,gadgetry and in the end success. As chilt said Howard uses the names of those he travels through this process with as credits to validate the methods and teachings he is using at the Smithsonian of Hitting.
 
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The difference is that Mike claims to be a novice and very, very few people on this board have the technical knowledge to break a throwing progression down in print form.
This board is getting ridiculous again, oh well I am not surprised, just disappointed.
 
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Everyone is entilted to their opinion and mine is to call it a garage is unjust. That thing is a study of hitting evolution,gadgetry and in the end success. As chilt said Howard uses the names of those he travels through this process with as credits to validate the methods and teachings he is using at the Smithsonian of Hitting.

I agree...I just had a parent call me last night who visited Howards "garage" for the first time yesterday...I have personally never been there before but have heard a ton of great things about it. She could not wait to tell me how much the big guy had helped her daughter in that "garage". She and her daughter loves Howard and his "garage". Her words and I quote " That guy is so awesome". She tried to pay him and of course Howard said "No way". Howard, she was wanting to know what bat you would recommend for Lee? What did Bustos swing last year?

Sonny
 
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Chip, the coaches skills contest sound fun.Hope you use nku fields, they already have those emergency phones on the poles all over campus.count us in
 
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I agree...I just had a parent call me last night who visited Howards "garage" for the first time yesterday...I have personally never been there before but have heard a ton of great things about it. She could not wait to tell me how much the big guy had helped her daughter in that "garage". She and her daughter loves Howard and his "garage". Her words and I quote " That guy is so awesome". She tried to pay him and of course Howard said "No way". Howard, she was wanting to know what bat you would recommend for Lee? What did Bustos swing last year?

Sonny

She was swinging Crystl's bat yesterday which is a CF3 pitch black which is a 34 27.

I would say a 34 25 would work well for her.
 
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Howard whats your feedback on the Triton from the kids who have tried it, ive had quite a few people ask me about it,, and all I have is what we found out at indy a few weeks back, just want to see if you get more positive remarks than what I would reply with

Tim
 
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She was swinging Crystl's bat yesterday which is a CF3 pitch black which is a 34 27.

I would say a 34 25 would work well for her.


I have to ask this question and i am not questioning the ability or strength of this particular girl, I am aware of this player and have seen her play.

My question is do you recomend that size of bat for most girls of her stature.
and how do you determin the size.
I am sure thit is done case by case
but what are your general guidelines
 
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Howard whats your feedback on the Triton from the kids who have tried it, ive had quite a few people ask me about it,, and all I have is what we found out at indy a few weeks back, just want to see if you get more positive remarks than what I would reply with

Tim

I loaned them out to Tom Lee's team to use and have not heard back from him yet.

The girls at IWU used them and liked it especially the handle loaded 33 25.

Another girl had it at Coastal Carolina and she did well with it and has used the green / yellow Rip- It in the past. Apparently some of the team there used it and liked it also.

Call me about a deal on the bat she is currently using....
 
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Howard
Any chance Bustos would come to NKU and play homerun derby. It would be a fundraiser for a kids charity ( any suggestions ) and would give some people/players a chance to see the greatest female hitter in the world. Any date in the summer would work.
Thank
p.s.
Dean you will be facing Bustos
 

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