HS coaches coaching travel

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Just curious as to how many high school coaches are coaching travel ball.

 

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To my knowledge, my HS coach just made a U18 travel team.

 

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I believe that 10U Tidalwaves will be coached by Jim Piazza, Varsity head coach for Keystone High School and 12U Tidalwaves will be coached by Marlon Ford, Assistant Varsity Coach, Keystone High School.

 

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Isn't it against OHSAA rules to coach High School girls? I personally think that is a rather stupid rule if true, but that is what we were always told.

 

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our JV coach last year coached our travel team this year and is moving up to 18's next season. I know i see high school coaches from time to time. We only had 2 girls from one school on the team anyways

 

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River Valley's HS coach runs the Marion Diamonds and coaches a team in the org. as well.

 

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Our hs varsity coach coaches a travel team. I think the only real draw back for them is how many girls from his school can be on the team at one time and he can't have contact with them during a specific time frame. That wouldn't include incoming freshman because they haven't been made eligible yet.

 

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LCTiger, no it is not a violation of HS rules although I believe that the ones conducting tryouts in Aug. might be in violation as this is the down period for coaches, the Bear might be able to correct me on that if I am wrong.

 

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My understanding of the Ohio High School Athletic Association rules are that a High School Coach, paid or unpaid may have up to 10 coaching/contact days between June 1 and July 31 with players from their own school. This also includes Middle School/Junior High coaches because they also follow high school rules. Anyone have any more information on this?

Isn't it unlimited contact between June 1 and July 31st, and 10 contacts outside of that time frame?

 

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It makes sense on many levels, doesn't it? These coaches have to do something to make money. Increasingly, the coaches are young, former college players who aren't being paid much to coach high school ball. What better way to start generating income than to become associated with a travel program that works out of a facility that offers private lessons? It also helps to ensure that the better players in that particular school district will at least be within shouting distance of the head coach-- if they know what's good for their playing careers.

It's rarely so simple as it seems, is it?

 

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from OHSAA (anytime a coach has more than four players on a team that is considered a contact day from June-July)

3. [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]What may an interscholastic coach do with athletes from his or her program during the summer from June 1-July 31? [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]This period of time from June 1-July 31 is considered the "summer" period during which coaches may have contact with student-athletes who participated in their in terscholastic programs during the past school year. Members of a school coaching staff, both paid and volunteer, in team sports of baseball, basketball, field hockey, ice hockey, softball, ****** and volleyball and in the individual sports of cross country, track and field and wrestling may have a combined total of 10 days of coaching contact in either instructional programs or non-interscholastic competition programs. Football staff may have a combined total of seven days of instructional contact. [/FONT][/FONT]​

4. [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]What is considered a "contact" day? [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]Instructional Programs [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]Any camp, clinic, workshop or other instructional format in which one or more student athletes from the coach?s school are participating counts as one day of contact for that school coaching staff. Any instructional or organizational activity affiliated with the instructional program counts. [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Ari al Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]Non-Interscholastic Competition [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]Any game, tryout or practice in which students from the coach?s school are participating together on the same squad in excess of the 50% limitation (2 in basketball, 3 in volleyball and ice hockey, 4 in softball and baseball and five in ****** and field hockey) counts as one day of contact for that coaching staff. [/FONT][/FONT]​

5. [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]May the varsity coach have 10 days of contact in addition to the JV, reserve and freshman coaches? [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]No. The 10-day provision refers to the combined efforts of all coaches for that school. It is not permissible for each coach to have 10 days with his/her athletes separately. [/FONT][/FONT]​

6. [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]Do volunteer coaches need to adhere to this regulation? [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]Yes. ALL coaches in public as well as non-public schools, whether they receive a salary or are volunteers, must be approved by their respective Boards of Education (or other governing board in a non-public school) and must meet all required coaching standards as stipulated by the State Department of Education. The only way that a person can work with student-athletes in an OHSAA member school during the interscholastic season is to have this approval and meet all standards. Thus, "volunteer" coaches are also accountable to the 10-day restriction as well as all other OHSAA bylaws and regulations governing coaches. [/FONT][/FONT]​

7. [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]Does watching a camp program or a non-interscholastic contest count as one of the 10 contact days? [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]No. There are no restrictions on being a spectator at these events; however, coaches are cautioned that they must avoid any instructional or organizational contact (or the appearance t hereof - see Q #1) during these events. Activities such as shagging balls, assisting with drills, functioning as a "gofer" during camps or clinics are considered to be organizational [/FONT][/FONT]​

 

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High school coaches can coach up to 4 of their own players the entire summer. It is an exception to the 10-day rule and is listed as an Exception. The 10-day rule is for June 1 to July 31 and is for entire staffs. In other words, each day during that time frame that a coach spends with an athlete is one day.

 

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How long until OHSAA lifts the 4 players/team deal like other states?

 

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I have always been surprised that this exception was in place. It's not logical. If an entire coaching staff combined can't coach even one girl for more than 10 days, then why can a coach have 4 or fewer girls as part of a team all summer?

High school coaches out here in Washington can't coach their own girls in the summer, but girls can play and practice with their travel teams during the high school season. High school teams rarely play Saturday games here, so there are a few 16-U and 18-U tournaments on weekends in April and early may.

I had heard probably 4 years ago that the OHSAA was going to do away with that exception to the 10-day rule, but it obviously hasn't happened yet. I have mixed feelings on the whole thing.

 

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How long until OHSAA lifts the 4 players/team deal like other states?

Doug, my guess would be for you not to hold your breathe.... you had better hope they lift today's BS rules so you can move on up there in Madison to coach them girls in HS!!!

I'm with the others... get real on timing and don't be so dag-gon backwards on catching up with modern times.

 

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Thanks for the clarification, Yahtzee

Your welcome

I would like to have the issue of having the High School kids I coach play for my travel team. Unfortunately, I coach for a small school that has very few travel softball players. For the most part, it is easy to tell during the HS season the players that play year around from those who do not.

I wish OSHAA would not hinder the kids that take interest in playing a sport year round.