missed base question

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Player hits home run, misses first, appeal play and batter out... Just curious, would she have had to hit all three in reverse sequential order, or just a dash straight to first?

Also on a checked swing a catcher can make an appeal to field ump to see if she went. On the reverse end of that, why couldn't an appeal be made to see if she didn't swing if on the first call a home plate ump calls it? If they can't see a check one way, why wouldn't it be plausible not to see it the other side of the coin? Other than slowing down the game...

Just making talk thats all...

 

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All bases must be touched in order when running in either direction. If a runner cuts straight across the diamond (say, goes directly from from third to first), then you have an appeal for the runner missing second on the way back.

A good question on the check swing. I don't know if I have a good answer other than that is the convention
(and rule) that has evolved over the years.

The plate umpire should only call a "swing" if he is 100% sure that he saw one. If he's 100% sure, then an appeal would be moot. On the other hand, if his view is blocked by the catcher or the batter, the "default" call is "no swing". If he's not sure, it's probably going to be called a ball. That level of uncertainty is probably what led to the "check swing appeal" convention we see today.

 

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One other thing on the missed base. A runner cannot go back to re-touch a missed or base left early if she is has already passed the next base while the ball is dead or out of play. In the OS, once the player had passed 2nd, she cannot by rule go back and re-touch 2nd and then 1st. This only applies when the ball is dead or out of play.

NFHS 8-4-3f Exception #2
ASA 8-5g

 

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Good catch, Matt!

I wasn't thinking about the lone exception when the ball is dead (as it is on an over-the-fence home run- a four base award) and the runner is advancing to awarded bases. In that case, once a runner touches (not passes) the next advanced base beyond the missed base, she can no longer correct her mistake by going back and re-touching.

She might physically go back and re-touch first, but her re-touch would not be valid and the defense can still appeal the miss. So, for this example, once the runner touches second base she has lost the right to correct her base running mistake of not touching first base. Up until the point where she touches second, she could still go back and re-touch first.

 

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Ah got it!

Thanks guys!

 

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A good question on the check swing. I don't know if I have a good answer other than that is the convention
(and rule) that has evolved over the years.

The plate umpire should only call a "swing" if he is 100% sure that he saw one. ?If he's 100% sure, then an appeal would be moot. On the other hand, if his view is blocked by the catcher or the batter, the "default" call is "no swing". If he's not sure, it's probably going to be called a ball. That level of uncertainty is probably what led to the "check swing appeal" convention we see today.

100% Correct. PU should never call a swinging strike unless he is sure of the swing. Altho, I did talk a PU into checking with his partner and his partner stated no swing. The other coach was rightfully not happy.