New here - I have a sportsmanship question please!

Bat Dad

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First of all let me start by saying that I enjoy reading the posts here very much. It is humbling to see the wealth of experience and knowledge reflected here.
My daughter turned 8 in April and this is her first summer in travel ball, she is on basically a high end recreational team as opposed to a private travel team. (if "private" is an incorrect designator for the travel teams reflected here somebody please correct me)
We played in the Lou and Shorty tournament in Dayton and got a true look at what travel teams are really made of, and then we played in the Marion Diamond Classic and fared really well - quite an accomplishment since we had to defeat a couple of very well established and talented travel teams to win that honor.
in both of those tournaments the opposing coaches and the kids conducted themselves with class and decorum at all times.
This weekend we played at a purely "High End Rec" travel tournament (I won't name names but suffice to say they have been around for a while ) and did not fare as well.
But here is the crux of my question about sportsmanship and etiquette:
- almost without fail all of the opposing players when our girls were up at the plate would cat call with very organized chants - to the point of shouting - including ones to clearly disrupt us (I suppose that's the point right?) In some cases even the coaches who were coaching up their outfield would lead the chants in question.
- Additionally one of the opposing players parents would stand behind the backstop trying to coach up their catcher and make comments intended to throw off our batters.

In contrast our kids would chant from the dugout to pump up our batters, but other than generally cheering for each other and trying to encourage each other they were not doing anything to try to affect the other team by way of taunting.

Our players were thrown off, our coaches were annoyed but they took it in stride and the parents of our kids were pretty annoyed as well. But at the end of the game one of our coaches told our kids what great sports they were by respecting each other and respecting their opponent and not allowing ourselves to be taken down to a level where we felt compelled that anything other than our play should do the talking.

Is this the way things are moving forward? Like I said this is all new to me. Maybe I need to develop a thicker skin if this is what things will look like in the future? I hope that this is an outlier, like I said we have also been involved in two amazing tournaments before this one. But I am curious as to what the collective wisdom on this board has to say about their impressions of what I experienced as well as reasonable expectations in terms of sportsmanship going forward.

Sorry for the extra long post but I wanted to introduce myself and put everything about my experience this weekend into context.

Thanks in advance for your replies,

Joe
 
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It's a sad state of affairs at the younger age groups. If there is no respect for the game, the girls will only learn what the adults are doing in front if them. I did witness some of this sad behavior this weekend myself and actually thanked one team for taking the high road and not get drawn into the insanity. It's 10u people and you're getting a 7.00 trophy.... If you need it that bad, I'll pay the 84.00 for trophies for your team.
 

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Joe, first of all, welcome! I hope you enjoy this Forum, but more importantly that your daughter really enjoys the game.

This won't be the last time you'll see this unfortunately, but know that many well-respected organizations and coaches don't put up with this kind of behavior from players, parents or coaches, though parents are usually the most difficult to control. I never allowed my team to do any cheers that were negative to the other team, or which could be considered unsportsmanlike, and I know quite a few other coaches who have this same philosophy, but I know some coaches who don't care. My philosophy was always that cheering was great as long as it was positive cheering of our own team.

It was great that your coach and team stayed above this, and actually pointed out to the girls that this was unacceptable.

I learned a lot over the years from this board, and hopefully some of us who have been through this process over the years will be helpful to you! Don't hesitate to post, or even private message people if you're not sure.

Jeff Baker
 

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We ran into the same type of behavior 10 years ago at 12u. Pretty sad when the parents sit behind the backstop and participate. This shows not only a lack of class on the parents part, but also a lack of confidence in their kids ability to win the game on their own.

One thing you will learn over the years is that it takes all kinds of people to create the softball community. Most are great people, some are out for their own purpose and yet others you'll wonder how a parent can ever let their child be around.

It is a long strange trip that goes by way to quick. Enjoy watching your daughter play, it will be over before you know it.
 
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Best one of the weekend Coach Screams "Why in the world would you cut that throw!!!!"


Um because she's ten coach...........
 

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The good news it that it starts getting better after, say 12U...

A lot of the parents either finally figure it out - that they should just let the girls play - or they're out of the sport entirely.

The bad news is that even in the older age groups, there's always a few obnoxious parents and teams around.

You need thick skin and red solo cups! :rolleyes:
 

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I can tell you that "typically" once you hit 14u you wont see this. But sometimes you'll run into this such as my team did at one of the top tournaments in the state against a highly regarded organization in the state, which frankly was pretty sad to see. If they are intentionally starting to scream or whatever when your pitcher is starting her pitch, this can be seen as taunting the pitcher (which your coach should address with the ump) The ump in my opinion should be taking control of this and requesting the opposing coach to have their girls stop.
 
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I agree with Louuuuu it definitely gets better as you move up. Unfortunately you will see it in both rec ball and travel ball at younger ages with some teams. My teams were allowed (and expected) to cheer on their teammates and have fun doing it. There was no loud screaming (especially when the opposing pitcher is getting ready to start their windup) and no banging on the dugouts or fences. Your better pitchers don't hear anything when they throw anyways. You will find most teams are respectful in their cheering but every once in awhile you will have to listen to it for a game. But I do find that you can shut a lot of them up if you jump on them early.
 

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I can tell you that "typically" once you hit 14u you wont see this. But sometimes you'll run into this such as my team did at one of the top tournaments in the state against a highly regarded organization in the state, which frankly was pretty sad to see. If they are intentionally starting to scream or whatever when your pitcher is starting her pitch, this can be seen as taunting the pitcher (which your coach should address with the ump) The ump in my opinion should be taking control of this and requesting the opposing coach to have their girls stop.

Beat me to it; darn work was too busy. LOL.
 

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What you ran into was simply ignorance. The coaches and parents of these rec league teams often times have a misguided "team spirit". The only option for them is win at any cost or the event is a total failure. They don't understand: teaching fundamentals, sportsmanship, professionalism, learning from experience (wins or losses). They probably just pick "good" players because they don't have the patience and/or knowledge to teach anything. Fortunately, these animals are close to extinct at sanctioned travel ball tournaments.

Different coaches have varying tolerances for any type of derogatory cheers, but for the most part you hear cheering for their team and not against the opposition.
 

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Saw the same nonsense all weekend at stingrays turney... The teams with less talent feel like screaming at the opposing pitcher makes them somehow better.. The "Walk her, walk her " chants were out of control... then there is the banging on the fence.. Bothers me the coaches and umps don't say anything.. Shouldn't 10u be about teaching them sportsmanship? And like others have pointed out does not happen at 14U and above.. Rarely see the chanting at those levels seems to be isolated to 12u and below.. but 10u OMG out of control...
 

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Definitely develop thick skin..also play at a level to shut those teams and parents up..hard work will out shine ignorance..when facing teams and parents like that you have to out coach and out play them..give them an ole fashion butt whoopin..Lol welcome to girls travel ball joe!!!
 

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Its not just the teams that have gathered less talent who feel like screaming. I have seen more than my fair share of teams who have gathered more talent and like to scream and bang on fences get beat by well coached teams with young ladies who have learned to respect and play the game.
 

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That is the point learn and respect the game. Let the game be played between the lines not in the stands.
 

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I tell my kid the chants from the other team are a compliment. And it is, the louder they scream, the more the other team is frightened of you. You can catch my kid humming along on the mound, if you look really close sometimes she starts swinging her hips to the beat. All is fair in love and war...and, of course, softball.
 

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I tell my kid the chants from the other team are a compliment. And it is, the louder they scream, the more the other team is frightened of you. You can catch my kid humming along on the mound, if you look really close sometimes she starts swinging her hips to the beat. All is fair in love and war...and, of course, softball.

Thats the best i have heard so far....
 

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players win and fail many times beyond just their skill set and many times what is TAUGHT.... and since the 'head coach' and staff are responsible for all things on the field and in the dugout,... I've always seen cheering as part of the game BUUUUUUUUT its Bush League and a DIRECT reflection of the coaching staff as to his/her coaching style/ability/knowledge if they let BUSH cheering to occur. Yelling at contact or just before is so weak and if you need that I can't wait to see those teams play mentally sound teams that can't wait to mentally shut them down. It's beautiful. My question is.... hey coach, are you really proud of that?
 

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I find nothing wrong with the chanting. DD, who is a pitcher says she cant even hear it. In Colorado, we played a team who brought sticks and flipped over ball buckets and played them like drums. It was annoying to the parents because the girls playing had no concept of rhythm and it sounded like an 8 month old banging pots in the kitchen.
To answer the OP's question: thicker skin is inevitable; negative chanting only stings when you are losing; if DD is negatively affected by negative chants, she will fail;
and as cliche as it may sound, strikeouts, crooked numbers scored, and smiling girls will stop the negative chanting without fail.
 

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