Question for TD and others involved in selecting teams for invite tourney's

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How is a new team able to get into invite's without previous record or tournament results to put on a resume'? I understand that some teams have worked hard to get where they are but what about a newly formed team ? How do they get their chance? Why not keep a couple slots open for a new team? This will give a newly formed team the opportunity to play against the best and prove themselves.

 

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I hear bribes work wonders.

 

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how many digits?

 

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I appreciate the problem facing a new team, but I don't think that a TD who is acting rationally would reserve spots for new, unknown teams. Sometimes new teams are formed with young ladies who previously played on very well known teams. That type of new team is likely to get accepted to invitational tournaments, especially if the new coach is also well known. But holding spots for new teams whose personnel is an unknown doesn't make sense. IMHO.

 

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Even the auto manufacturers have to prove they are worthy - and it doesn't happen overnight. If you remember, the original Hondas were rust buckets! Honda took lumps, but gradually learned from their mistakes to become a world class auto manufacturer.

Keep that in mind - both when forming a new team, AND when trying out for one. It takes a few years to "make some noise" and gain respect as a new kid on the block. There are also a lot of other intangibles - misbehaving coaches and the like. A bad reputation isn't easy to shake off, and simply playing a shell game by changing teams won't hide that.

 

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How is a new team able to get into invite's without previous record or tournament results to put on a resume'? I understand that some teams have worked hard to get where they are but what about a newly formed team ? How do they get their chance? Why not keep a couple slots open for a new team? This will give a newly formed team the opportunity to play against the best and prove themselves.

Been in your shoes for the past 3-4 years. Had an established team with a proven record but couldn't get in the invites. Solution...move to an organization that can.

 

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Been in your shoes for the past 3-4 years. Had an established team with a proven record but couldn't get in the invites. Solution...move to an organization that can.

True. These organizations have proven themselves year after year to have quality teams, not necessarily the best teams. There are a few newbie teams each year that can hang and even beat many of these big org teams, but they just have not established that rep yet. If moving to an org that can enter isn't an option, as previously stated, bribe.

 

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Even the auto manufacturers have to prove they are worthy - and it doesn't happen overnight. If you remember, the original Hondas were rust buckets! Honda took lumps, but gradually learned from their mistakes to become a world class auto manufacturer.
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Couldnt an analogy of an American Company be used to example an American sport? lol

 

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You have to prove yourself. It takes years to prove yourself as an organization.

 

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I assume you are talking about trying to get in the more prestigious events and/or showcases.

It takes time or recommendations. If you have girls who are being recruited, you can always have a college coach send a note to the TD letting him/her know that the teams capabilities. Also you need to understand when the selection process takes place and have your information in in a timely fashion.

In some areas of the country, this is why some independent teams are joining forces with more established programs. Name recognition is HUGE! Have the head of an established organization call on your behalf can go furthur than you think. If you like having your own team, then you have to live with that decision.

The advice I always give people is either get on a team with a decent reputation or you must have a STRONG leader. If not, you will be left on the outside looking in for most of the bigger events.

Ty

 

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Couldnt an analogy of an American Company be used to example an American sport? lol

Honda would not have survived had it not been for the American consumer buying their products. As the politicians of today say - it's a world economy now. (Not that I agree with that...)

But back on topic - I have a soft spot for the underdog. There have been a few start-up teams recently that are VERY impressive, and loaded with college level talent. It's unfortunate that the system tends to shun them until they grow some roots. It tends to punish the kids, because they have no choice but to join an already established showcase team that has a track record at showcase tournaments. Gut feeling is about 3 - 4 years to establish a "reputation" as a contender. But for a 14u, those are prime "exposure" years. College coaches scratch their head and say "You play for who?"

I admire and respect the coaches/organizers that do make it through the growing pains of disgruntled parents and "greener pastures" players. But to be fair to tournament organizers, this probationary period is a good thing. It also tends to weed out the "out of control" coaches, and poor team managers, which I'm sure is part of qualifying for the more visible tournaments. If your team makes it through boot camp, then you are worthy!

 

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Don't beat the home team before the selection process.
Won't get in that way.

 

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How is a new team able to get into invite's without previous record or tournament results to put on a resume'? I understand that some teams have worked hard to get where they are but what about a newly formed team ? How do they get their chance? Why not keep a couple slots open for a new team? This will give a newly formed team the opportunity to play against the best and prove themselves.

Name recognition usually wins out because it is almost impossible for TD "truly" check out any team outside of the immediate tournament area that is entering a tournament.

Most of the times TD feel more confident that organizations that participated in the past events regardless of previous or current record will find the players needed to participate.
All you need to do is look at how many 16/18U teams in Ohio, KY and IND that are still looking for key positions but; most likely have secured bids to invitationals without a full team.

Naturally; these tournaments are one of several venues for your players to show their talent in front of perspective coaches. Usually; if the college coaches at the event have an interest in your players the team manager would included them on the tournament application. If you had enough players truly getting looked at by prospective college coaches that were going to attend the event the TD would make sure you are in unless, they had another agenda than running a showcase event.
If you have a team of 12 the chances of you having all 12 players having colleges seriously looking at all of them at one event is remote. The best bet for new teams is to market your players generate some interest in them and go to events where the majority of your players have a shot of their college contacts attending.

 

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Just as in business, there is a network. Word gets around pretty quick if there is a "Hot" team or an "out-of-control" coach. Coaches and TDs talk all of the time about good and bad that is happening. When a selection committee researches the teams in application pool, they also ask other organizations or coaches (HS, Travel, and College) about teams that they are not familiar with.

I agree, it is tough for a 1st , 2nd, or even 3rd year team to get invited to an Invitational. All I can offer is hang in there, do the right things, and you will be rewarded.

 

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i understand what everyone is saying but my dd team is a new 16U team. the coach is one of the calmest coaches I have seen. In 2 or 3 years she will be off to college so how do we make this work next year for some of these invites

thanks

 

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If you can't get into a showcase, then you have to get the college coaches attention some other way.

1. The girls should be going to the college camps/clinics that are held in the winter. (easy face time with a coach, and you can talk to them at a camp/clinic)
2. Make sure the girls are sending their emails to the college coaches.
3. Just a suggestion on this one but if your team isn't playing every weekend, maybe they could sub for a needy team that is in an Invitational. Invitationals usually do not have strict roster requirements.
4. Try to hook-up with a couple of the other "High Profile" teams for a friendly and then invite college coaches.

Just some suggestions on trying to get the girls seen.

 

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Been in your shoes for the past 3-4 years. Had an established team with a proven record but couldn't get in the invites. Solution...move to an organization that can.

lol :lmao:

 

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Most of the 2010 invitations will be decided by mid December 2009. Bill Vanalmsick's suggestions are your best bet for 2010. Winning in 2010 will set the team up for 2011.

Lady Knights, we are glad that you made your move. It's a win-win situation.