Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Re-Plant

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Agree. Why is the foot turned with the laces facing third base? Because if she landed on the ball of her foot like this with the laces facing home plate she would lose her balance and fall forward towards the batter. This is a good example of the classic "side-jumper". Weight on the back leg with toe cleats firmly planted for another push-off. She's certainly not up on the point of her toe and dragging forward! Who teaches this stuff anyway??

See post #100.

Len

 

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Getting back to the original topic, I showed the picture to my dd, and she noticed immediately that the pitcher's plant leg is bent in the picture, even though the plant foot has already re-touched. If she were not getting ready to push off a second time, why would her back leg be bent??? If she had already made her stride off the pitching rubber, her leg would be straight.

Not necessarily. She could be getting her push foot under her to throw a pitch where you keep your weight back. My guess is change-up.

Len

 

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first of all, did you get a release from the player or photographer to post this picture? I think that there are laws against this kind of thing. I would be worried that this player's dad would take legal action against me for slandering her. Maybe even the school? Or what about the third base coach who was identified in an earlier post?

second, how in the world can anyone tell from just this one picture if she drug to this point or not? not all pitchers drag laces first.

Easy there Woolfy; didn't mean to ruffle your Leopard skin. I saw a post over on Yappi where a poster said something to the effect that the teams in the leauge better watch out for this pitcher. I just wanted to know what the people thought here on OFC based on thie ONE PITCH and only this ONE PITCH. Didn't steal the pic, it's linked to the Louisville website. In fact it looks like we have a new member (LeopardNation) who posted the entire link with all the pics on 3 different OFC forums.

 

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I think I speak for many OFC'ers; Can't this thread ever die? Everyone's opinion is valued here, but nothing is getting accomplished. And if you find the need to continue arguing, use the PM button. 'Just sayin'...

 

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I have a few questions about the ephus pitch.
1. This pitch as thrown is illegal in high school. Is it illegal in college?
2. This pitch is an outgrowth of extending the distance of 'T' drills. We have tried to stop the arm at the shoulder but have been unable to do that. We have got the arm to continue up and around and then smack into the pitchers butt; thus not going past the hip twice. Would this be legal in high school?
3. Finally, before all the girls pitched with a windmill motion, back in the dark ages, they pitched like this. If I wanted to teach a girl to throw without a windmill motion what would the motion and the follow through look like? Would this pitch be legal in under todays rules?

 

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I think I speak for many OFC'ers; Can't this thread ever die? Everyone's opinion is valued here, but nothing is getting accomplished. And if you find the need to continue arguing, use the PM button. 'Just sayin'...

well you don't speak for me, I think the conversation has been civil and informative. if you don't like it, don't click on it.

 

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I agree MustangSally. Alot of the addickted members pad their stats by replying to everything. Even to change the subject.

 

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There is nothing in the original picture that proves whether it is a crow hop, replant, or whatever you want to call it.

The laces of the shoe do not have to face the catcher in order for it to be a proper drag.

Artillarymarine, congrats on your first post but the pic of the pitcher you posted is not properly dragging her foot in my opinion. Her foot is flat on the ground. Watch videos of Jennie Finch if you want to see proper foot drag.

Personally, I can't believe pitching coaches are teaching kids to drag their foot with laces towards the catcher. How can pitchers keep their hips open if they're dragging their foot like that?

It appears many pitchers here are receiving improper instruction. If a pitching coach is teaching shoelaces to the catcher during their drag then that pitching coach is slowly destroying your childs' shoulder.......

Len

So Hillhouse is teaching them the wrong way? He tells them to point their shoelaces to the cather when they are done dragging.

 

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haveaclue--grow up. for all the dumb ___ stuff that is posted on OFC NOT related to softball you want to cry about a post that is related to softball. " pad your stats" ? LOL

 

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Ephus pitch....just because it looks cool.

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Okay, I have a question about the legal or illegal. We played a scrimmage yesterday where the pitcher, when pitching a fast ball, did the windmill thing. However, when she was pitching something else (not sure what) she did it like a slow pitch pitcher. Brought her arm back then released going forward and did not do the windmill at all. Is that legal in HS fastpitch or any other league?

 

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Okay, I have a question about the legal or illegal. We played a scrimmage yesterday where the pitcher, when pitching a fast ball, did the windmill thing. However, when she was pitching something else (not sure what) she did it like a slow pitch pitcher. Brought her arm back then released going forward and did not do the windmill at all. Is that legal in HS fastpitch or any other league?

Yes, it's legal. There is no rule that says a pitcher has to use a windmill motion.

 

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Thank you. Very weird to see, though! ;& I would think the pitch would be faster with the windmill.

 

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Ephus pitch....just because it looks cool.

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i'm at a loss here....but this is pretty amazing

 

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No, it's not legal. You are deceiving the batter as to when the ball is coming. Right, Bretman?

 

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No, it's not legal. You are deceiving the batter as to when the ball is coming. Right, Bretman?

With any given pitch, the pitcher is free to change the speed of their motion to throw off the batter. How is that any different? I believe that it is legal as long as the pitching hand doesn't pass the hip a second time.

 

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Easy there Woolfy; didn't mean to ruffle your Leopard skin. I saw a post over on Yappi where a poster said something to the effect that the teams in the leauge better watch out for this pitcher. I just wanted to know what the people thought here on OFC based on thie ONE PITCH and only this ONE PITCH. Didn't steal the pic, it's linked to the Louisville website. In fact it looks like we have a new member (LeopardNation) who posted the entire link with all the pics on 3 different OFC forums.

I hope everyone remembers that this is someone's kid. (not mine, and no relation either) Just imagine if this were you child who is now be challenged on her delivery and form over one picture.

 

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Okay, I have a question about the legal or illegal. We played a scrimmage yesterday where the pitcher, when pitching a fast ball, did the windmill thing. However, when she was pitching something else (not sure what) she did it like a slow pitch pitcher. Brought her arm back then released going forward and did not do the windmill at all. Is that legal in HS fastpitch or any other league?

some call that a slingshot delivery and it's legal.

 

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These two pictures show a legal drag IMO. From this overhead angle you can see the S curve that is left in the dirt from the drag foot.

you only get the S look if that is your style of delivery and foot drag. not all pitching coaches teach that delivery and drag. these pictures show a great example of that though.

 

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Regarding the "eephus pitch"...illegal!

Sure, a pitcher can draw her arm back and release the pitch on the first forward pass of the hip- nothing wrong with that. What she cannot do next is: ASA- make another complete revolution of the pitching arm; High School- continue arm rotation up past the shoulder.

 

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So Hillhouse is teaching them the wrong way? He tells them to point their shoelaces to the cather when they are done dragging.

Well sure....when they're DONE dragging. What about mid-drag...where should the shoelaces face at that point according to Hillhouse?

Len