Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Re-Plant

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MD, maybe the videos I'm posting are the ones you're thinking of. If not, they still illustrate the leap, crow hop, and legal drag.

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interesting stuff, i guess if you push hard enough, drag the toe long enough, AND don't leap , you can actually release the ball from about 39-40 feet and be legal. Assuming you have a tall pitcher. MD

A female pitcher's best friend is her legs! Watch where most college pitcher's stride foot lands - usually VERY close to, if not on, the front of the circle. Explosive power coming from leg drive is what makes it happen - NOT replanting. From what I've seen, Hillhouse is a great example of teaching that. However, some men are literally "step pitchers", and can generate tremendous arm speed with little leg drive. Women must make up for lack of upper body power with the legs.

All things equal, height is an advantage, but not necessarily a limiting factor. For instance, Katie Chain of OSU fame was not all that tall, but she had awesome explosive mechanics that produced many records that still stand today.
 
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Ephus pitch....just because it looks cool.

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I'll be honest with you, unless a still photo is taken at a moment when the pitcher has both feet in the air and you can SEE air between her feet and the ground, there's no way to know how the pitch in its entirety turns out. That's my opinion. You need a video instead. Unless a still photo catches the moment when the foot is pushing off a second time in front of the pitching plate and the ball is still in her hand you can't say for sure she's wrong. Again, you need a video.

In my opinion; most pitching instructors will not teach a motion or mechanics that result in an illegal pitch. It has been my experience that the girls lose sight of what they are taught, unaware of the consequences. It is reasonably common to have a pitcher get her timing of the upper torso out of whack with the lower torso. She'll step out too soon after initiating her pitch and her arm spin is late, resulting in a late release or after her footwork is complete. Kids find ways to get back on track and some teach themselves to hang in the air while they get the arm back around or they'll instinctively put the pivot foot back down and push off again. After all; they know what supposed to happen upon release so they are trying to get to that position in the mechanics of the pitch. I honestly believe this to be a common mistake and until an instructor explains things to them they'll continue to throw incorrectly. In my winter sessions indoors, I use a mirror and have the girls throw socks while watching themselves. Many times within 20 throws, we can fix the timing issue and continue with our lesson.

Again, I don’t believe it’s taught. Also, I don't believe the girls are aware they do it most of the time.

There's still a proper way to do things and kids are human beings. They'll make mistakes. Mistakes are a part of the game. This timing issue is something for everyone to consider when you analyze a pitcher's form. It can be corrected and with all the elements of the pitch that a kid is trying to remember, I think it's easy to see how they can get out of sync once in a while, especially when they are in a game and changing from pitch to pitch.
 
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OK - so who noticed the footwork in the ephus pitcher video? Yes, it is on a gym floor - BUT practice habits build very strong game habits, and if you're re-planting on a gym floor in practice, it won't magically fix itself in dirt. Get a pitching mat!
 
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So if I as a coach complains that an illegal pitch is being thrown and the field umpire is watching the pitcher...who is watching my runner leave base early....? :D
 
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So if I as a coach complains that an illegal pitch is being thrown and the field umpire is watching the pitcher...who is watching my runner leave base early....? :D

The first baseman who trips her... ;)
 
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The Ephus pitch is illegal because her arm makes a full rotation AFTER release of the ball. At least, I think that's why... :lmao:
 
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On the serious side--stopped counting how many times saw crow-hops, replants, etc. and RARELY called--attitude seems to be why worry about it, it is only a rule....One college coach I talked to said she thinks the umps and coaches are doing the kid a disservice, as she doesn't want a "project" teaching a player how to pitch all over agian...ArtlleryMArine, if you are going to post with dry and facts, then I order you to fire danger close and fire for effect!
 
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I am going with a replant.

My dd wears out her cleats yearly due to dragging her toe (she doesn't like the rubber toes). If this pitcher is not replanting she is getting ready to throw a change because she had no drive off of her pivot foot with her leg still bent so much.
 
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There is nothing in the original picture that proves whether it is a crow hop, replant, or whatever you want to call it.

The laces of the shoe do not have to face the catcher in order for it to be a proper drag.

Artillarymarine, congrats on your first post but the pic of the pitcher you posted is not properly dragging her foot in my opinion. Her foot is flat on the ground. Watch videos of Jennie Finch if you want to see proper foot drag.

Personally, I can't believe pitching coaches are teaching kids to drag their foot with laces towards the catcher. How can pitchers keep their hips open if they're dragging their foot like that?

It appears many pitchers here are receiving improper instruction. If a pitching coach is teaching shoelaces to the catcher during their drag then that pitching coach is slowly destroying your childs' shoulder.......

Len
 
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I don't care what anyone says. I have never seen a pitcher legally drag their foot when it's in this position. If the toe isn't in the dirt and you can't see the bottom of her cleats from the view directly behind the circle then it's gonna be a replant. Having a view of the cleats from 1st base is going to be a replant or a serious groin injury if an attempt to drag in that position is even possible!

See the post above and watch a Jennie Finch video...

Len
 
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