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Our high school coach has been suspect of violating OHSAA rules for some time now and the athletic director turns a blind eye when things are brought to their attention giving excuses like "I can't comment" or "I didn't see it happen so I don't know". Just how does one bring things to the OHSAA and do they really look into allegations? >

 

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This comes up every year right before HS season, this is a little earlier than usual, but I would like to make a few comments, and yes I am a HS coach.

1. ?Most people outside of coaching or administration, do not know what the rules are regarding this, and therefore make accusations without merit. ?Make sure you know exactly how the rule reads and how it pertains to your situation before making accusations, you could cause a good coach to lose his job over nothing!!

2. ? The AD's were hired by the School Board, and one of there responsibilities is to police there coaches for violations. ?No AD wants to be in trouble with OHSAA, with the possibility of losing their job, so I am sure they are aware of the situation, but feel that there is not enough evidence to warrant any sanctions.

3. ? I'm always intrigued why you would report your own HS coach, when all he is trying to do is help the kids or the program. ?He is giving up 3-4 months, maybe more, of his time to make the players and team better, for very little pay, and you want to report him for this. ?IM AMAZED!!! ?It's such a BS rule, that no coach should be reported!!! ?There are far greater problems in HS sports, than worrying about a coach teaching girls the game of fastpitch softball, or any sport for that matter. ?Be happy you have a coach that cares enough to spend a little extra time with the girls. ?Read enough posts on OFC, and according to most posters on here, ?there are alot more HS coaches that stink, than are good. ?Looks like you may have one of the better ones.

 

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WOW!!! --- Got quite a Hot Mess goin' on down there, don'tcha???

 

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Our high school coach has been suspect of violating OHSAA rules for some time now and the athletic director turns a blind eye when things are brought to their attention giving excuses like "I can't comment" or "I didn't see it happen so I don't know". Just how does one bring things to the OHSAA and do they really look into allegations? ?>

I meant no hard feelings toward you or anyone for that matter, just commenting on your initial post above, which talks about OHSAA violations. ?The facts are, I was correct for the most part, that it doesn't really have a whole lot to do with OHSAA violations, but more about morality, and school policy. ?The only thing this coach is in violation of, after reading your second post, is "Good Judgement", and that is not handled, in this case, by OHSAA. ?This is more of a HS ?School Board and Principal/Superintendent problem.

Had you elaborated more in your initial post on the true facts of the story, I would have read it, and never even wasted my time posting on it. ? But it does sounds like a good story line for a "Soapie".?

Again, No hard feelings.

 

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Knights -

I don't want to touch that topic either or suggest that my next comment has anything to do with that situation... people turn in their own coaches because of playing time. It's their way of getting even. Most AD's know the playing time situation and do not respond to the accusations stemming from a playing time issue. The parent that goes beyond the AD directly to the OHSAA is the one who sometimes gets their way. Then they find themselves in bigger trouble because the last minute coach they pick up is worse then the original. The most expereinced coaches find ways to work within the rules.

 

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Sorry folks, that last reply was meant to be a PM and accidently was posted openly so I have deleted it. What woiuld be said privately to someone is not usually good to post openly and I apologize for it. But all someone should require of a coach is accountabillity and credibillity and fortunatly most high school coaches meet that standard with exceptionaly high marks.

 

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Actually Knights there are real violations going on but I just tried to give you background on the whole mess and I'm rather embarassed that what I thought was a PM to you went to open forum. What one needs to know in our situation that when things happen in our sports programs that should be reported, in all sports, not just softball it usually gets swept under the rug by the AD and the school rather than face the consequences from the OHSAA. It really is a soap opera situation there. Only when someone comes down on them from above will it stop.

 

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knights, since when does ``giving up 3-4 months, maybe more, of his time to make the players and team better, for very little pay'' give you license to circumvent the rules?
you've been off base before, but you're WAY OFF base on that one.
you either play the game by the rules or get out
your rationalization stinks

 

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First of all not all rules violations are not the same. I'm not advocating being a rules breakers, but we ALL break rules and laws everyday that are ignored by law enforcement because they just aren't that serious or worth the effort or just plain stupid. (i.e. jaywalking, spitting on the sidewalk, speeding 5 mph over.) Unless you know what is going on, which I don't, don't be so fast to lynch the coach. I personnaly see nothing wrong with a coach giving a little "extra" batting lessons. I know it's wrong...scracth that, I don 't think its wrong...its only wrong in OHSAA eyes. Now, drinking, drug use, etc. they deserve reporting.

 

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If you read the OHSAA changes, which are posted in the web site. You will find out they will no longer take phone calls reporting violations due to the amount of calls they get that have no merit.

 

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I agree with Ringer that what kind of violations are these and how serious are they? Does ohsaa even really care about the extra batting or instuction?

 

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ohiopuckman,
ohsaa wishes softball would GO AWAY!!
they got part of their wish when the state championships moved farther away from columbus
nevertheless, you either change the rules or follow the rules -- OR GET OUT if you can't follow the rules

 

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Breaking rules are breaking rules . Just like stealing is stealing no matter what the amount is.

 

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Nothing wrong with bending the rules a little! Heck, everybody does it! Maybe armed robbery shouldn't be a crime if you don't put bullets in the gun? Just make 'em up as you go...

;D

 

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Hey Slide,

The best changes come from within, its all about politics. If you really want to make changes, get involved. Run for school board.

 

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Nothing wrong with bending the rules a little! Heck, everybody does it! Maybe armed robbery shouldn't be a crime if you don't put bullets in the gun? Just make 'em up as you go...

;D

Bending or breaking the rules are one thing, bending or breaking the law is a whole new ball game, not a fair comparison. :-?

 

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I know this school slidehome refered to and yes it's bad there. It's my understanding that they went through 5 coaches in 4 years which seems to indicate a very unstable situation for some reason. I was at a game 2 years ago they were playing at under the previous coach and all through the game two mothers who didn't like her sat behind home plate trash talking her constantly so everyone could hear them including both teams. Late in the game the umpire finally called time out and told them to shut up or be ejected, I was told they did this every game home and away and what I couldn't believe was that school's athletic director was at the game seeing and hearing all this and never said a thing to those women before, during, or after the game. From what I saw I have to give slidehome at least some credibillity.

 

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OH the joys of school/community political sports, or should I say what seems to be youth sports these days.
Shame the players and coaches have to deal with the embarrassment of their parents.

In wPA area there may be some serious changes with youth football (as young as twurps - 5-6 yr olds) for problems with parents fighting, not just verbally, but now physically in the stands. It's not always the parents of opposing teams, but includes parents of the same team.
RIDICULOUS !!!!

Recently a quad A softball program in PA encountered some pre-season parental issues over fall rec coaches influencing hs coaches. An unsigned letter was sent to the AD and ALL parents within the recreational program, of which many kids don't even go out for the hs team. It's not a school I'm involved with, but know many of the folks that have organized, supported, coached, etc. for many many years so that girls could play and learn. These people should be thanking them for teaching and babysitting their kids for so many years instead of trying to cause problems. As for the AD.......has nothing to do with him or the hs program, it's fall ball/recreational ball.

Sometimes I wonder, if it was as bad when I was younger as it is today, I would have opted to NOT played sports to save myself the embarrassment and shame of the adults. How much fun can it be for the players with all this crap ?

 

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Just a little tongue-in-cheek LK - in sports, nothing wrong with "playing until the whistle blows"...

 

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Be very careful, I have been down this road . Our school was in violation of rules for basebal and I had video evedence and writen documentation. Rules are rules and I believed I was doing what was right and in the best interest of the kids. Unfortunately AD's and coaches don't allways do what is in the best interes of the kids.

Because I brought these issues up with the AD and coach my son was black balled and cut his junior & Senior year.

Sounds like I might be an angry parent of a player that was cut but the fact is he was truly black balled. On the contrary, he was deffinately good enough for the HS team . He was the first athlete to sign a leter of intent in the entire HS and one of only 3 baseball players to get a college scholorship and he didn't even play HS ball.

My son's situation turned out ok he is playing in college but be sure that you are willing to go through the pain because it is not easy.