Rules changes

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I saw this reply from a post awhile back.

You are partially correct for 10U.

The ASA baserunning rules for 10U have been modified in 2007. The old restrictions that were in place now apply only to class "B" (recreational level). All 10U restrictions for class "A" (junior olympic/travel teams) have been removed.

10U "A" teams may now steal any base, advance on uncaught third strikes, continue past first on walk and all the other fun stuff that the older girls can do.

I can see this being a source of some confusion this year, especially if the coaches are not aware of the rule changes. But you'll be prepared because you read it here on the OFC!

We were able to steal any base and advance to second on a walk in just about every 10U tournament we played in last year...maybe every tournament. The comment I have a question on is "....advance on uncaught third strike." What does this mean? Is this refering to advancing to 1st on a dropped third strike? Are the 10's going to be given the green light on everything this year. Is this only ASA? Has NSA and USSSA followed suit. Looks like I'll have to do some detective work. :-?

 

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I was involved with this and I have since looked this quote up.. I downloaded the 2007 ASA rule changes and 8.1.B. did not change. Exception: ( Junior Olypic 10-U The Batter is out. When third strike is dropped.

The other about stealing: Very confusing. 8.4.G. You can only steal one base per pitch. Changed to Now only applies to 10 under Class B fast ptich. Clear as Mud to me. When I download my casebook changes I'm going to try and figure it out. I'm glad I'm not around 10U now.

 

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SBFAMILY,

If you're refering to the 2007 rule changes on the ASA website, the changes listed for 8-4-G are the changes that now allow 10-U class A teams to advance on an uncaught third strike. You need to read the entire rule as it now appears in the book to see all of the ramifications of this rule change.

I have the 2007 ASA rule book in front of me. In regards to an uncaught third strike with fewer than two outs and first base unoccupied, or whenever two are out, rule 8-1-B now reads:

EXCEPTION: (Junior Olympic 10-Under Class B Fastpitch Only) The batter is out.

Other references to special 10-U base running rules have also been revised throughout the book, for instance 8-7-T(3) which deals with when the Look Back rule applies after an uncaught third strike.

Again, this rule change affects ONLY class A (junior olympic/travel) teams. Class B (recreational) teams still have all of the restrictions from previous years.

As to the first post, I do not work any NSA or USSSA games. It is my understanding that those organizations do not have special base running rules for 10-U, but I will defer that question to anyone with experience in those organizations.

I can tell you this about ASA rules. The official ASA rules are written for championship play- that is, tournaments that have national champioship ramifications. For those events, the published rules must be followed without modification.

Individual leagues and non-national tournaments are free to adopt or modify any rules as they see fit. Some may still limit steals and advances for the younger girls. That is their option. But for championship play, or following the ASA rules by-the-book, 10-U class A teams may run the bases without restriction, exactly as the older age groups.

 

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Your right SBFAMILY. Clear as mud. Looks like another year of 10U ball where both coaches AND the umpires huddle around home plate trying to figure out what rules we are playing under for that tournament. :-/

 

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If you are the coach, you should know which classification your team is registered under. After all, you have to fill that out with the ASA paperwork when registering your team.

If you sign-up for a tournament, you should know if it is a national qualifier.

If you aren't sure which rule will be followed, you should clear that up ahead of time with the tournament director before your team ever takes the field.

 

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Fairborn Early Bird April 28 & 29 ? 10U Rules

We will use Championship Play Rules for Class A


Thanks
Ron Sanders

 

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I think what ASA is doing here is making the 10U "A" level that same as all other age groups. The play at the 10U travel level has improved over the years and I am glad to see that at least ASA has recognized that as well.

 

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Bretman: Just checking. You stated you have a 2007 rule book? I thought they only updated this every other year. I received a 2006 and and download the 2007 playiong rule changes from the ASA web site every other year. ? Has this changed? Rule 8.1.B. in 2006 is the same as 2007, no change in the ASA rule changes or case book for umpires. .

 

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NSA: I Read through the NSA 2007 rule book. It looks like they break down play to 8U with a different set of rules. 10U and up is all the same. They do not have all the little foot notes like the ASA rule book does, on different age groups. NSA is easy to read over the ASA rule book. Unless someone can find something different, 10U doesn't have a different set of rules.

 

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I'm pretty sure that NSA dropped all of their 10-U baserunning restrictions within the past couple of years.
The NSA rule book is on-line and anyone who wants to check can easily do so.

As for the ASA rule books, they are newly printed every year. If your team is registered for ASA play, you should have received a new one. If you haven't, I would recommend contacting your district commissioner.

I think that your confusion lies in a lack of resources. You have the 2006 book, the 2007 rule changes, but you really need to get a 2007 book to see the full effect of the rule changes.

Take another look at your copy of the 2007 rule changes. Note the change listed for 8-4-G. This is the rule that covers all of the 10-U baserunning rules.

Other rules throughout the book will reference and relate to rule 8-4-G. The 2007 rule change list does not list every single other rule throughout the book that is affected by the change in 8-4-G. But there are several of them!

Rule 8-1-B IS NOT the same in the 2007 and 2006 rule books. The 2007 rule reads exactly as I quoted above.

 

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Thanks. As info they sent me the 2006 , this spring. I was told we only print it every other year. You are right sure makes it easier than print out the rule changes. I have a bone to pick with somone with the ASA.

 

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I have a bone to pick with somone with the ASA.

And rightfully so. Someone has either willfully lied to you or is sadly misinformed.

Start with the person you dealt with when you got the first book. If that doesn't help, work your way up the ladder. The latest contacts for local, state and national officials can be found on the ASA website.

 

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one thing to add! every year you sanction you should recieve a new team rule book or if you desire more they are available for purchase

Ron

 

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That is what makes this forum so good. You get different ideas and learn something new every time you visit. I got my information direct from the ASA. webste and Yes I have the name via e mail. I like the fact that different people can read the same rule and it read it differently. We can then discuss it on the forum, to find out what is correct. I know after 12 years of coaching softball, you still run into something new anxd someone can help you understand it..