Hitting and Hitters Discussion Softball swing -VS- Baseball swing

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Just trying to figure out what type of swing is right for softball. I have talked to A lot of people who say the baseball swing does not work in softball but I watch the college games on TV and I see more and more baseball swings. Some of the questions I have are : Loading hands ?-VS- Quiet hands , Stride early- stride ontime or no stride, and the last thing is what is the idea behind no extension after contact. I understand how difficult it is to hit in softball but my background in baseball tells me that there should be very little difference in the swing techniques. All thoughts and ideas would be a great help, Thanks
 
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Moe-there is no difference. You do need to match motion with the pitcher (loading, triggering or a negative move-it's all the same, just different terminology), whether your hands are a part of your loading or they stay quiet is personal choice. Back to matching motion with the pitcher in terms of when to stride your hitter should come to toe touch on her positve move towards the pitcher around the release of the pitch-so stride early (around 2/3 inches) would apply.
 
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Ash Michigans coach if there is no difference.
Ask Sue Enquist and Mike Candrea if there are no difference.
About 1 half year ago Leon Woods sold Michigan softball the Right View Pro Program and she loved and worked the long ball. Leon is very nice man call him and talk to him and he has sold many of these programs and my 13yr old does great and i take her to Leon.

Call Leon Woods
419-877-0757
www.rightviewpro.com
 
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spinball, I think your in agreement that there is no difference? I'm sure that Mike and Sue would say there is no difference, as Right View Pro-By Don Slaught teaches the same principals for baseball and softball. :)
 
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My 13 DD went to MAX Sports to learn the baseball swing, it has helped 100%, I have notice that she is making better contact and has improve her bat speed.
 
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Fundamentally, there is no difference in the baseball and softball swings.
However, there is a difference in the delivery angle of the ball. Ted Williams compensated for ball travelling on a slightly downward plane by teaching a slight uppercut, which also helped Williams create more trajectory.
Williams also used a lighter bat than most to create more whip, which is more imperative than mass in the physics equation.
Watch old tapes of Williams' swing and you can't help but become a better hitter, whether you're hitting a baseball or a softball.
If somebody has gone through Slaught's rightviewpro system, I'd appreciate a phone number at which you can be reached and
the time for a few questions about the implementation and overall effectiveness of the program you bought and use.
thanks in advance. dlilleypad@sbcglobal.net or blilley@thebeaconjournal.com
 
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I'm confused!! ?There is a difference between the softball and baseball swing?? ?Is this because the delivery in baseball is overhand and the delivery in softball is underhand?? ?
There should be no difference in the swings, there is only different interpretations of the techniques or steps. Someone changes one detail, or phrase, of the swing and they have revolutionized hitting!! ?
My personal opinion is that rotational hitting generates the torque needed to add power to your swing.
I have never used the rightview pro hardware, so I may be a little off in my explanation of it, but you must remember that it is merely a training tool, it alone will not make you a better hitter. ?It allows you to see and compare your swing with other top hitters. ?This feedback will allow you to make immediate corrections to your technique. ?I'm sure it is a great training aid, and as I'm sure your aware of, most people have better results when they can visualy see where their mistakes are. ?
Remember-Practice Makes Permanent, Perfect Practice Makes Perfect!! ?Make sure your getting good instructions!!
 
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Your right bink44.
I have a right view pro CD hitting drills with Mike and sue. ?Mike said most softball coaches teach squash the bug and that is wrong and you don't see a golfer squash the bug. Also Leon sells Don Slaughts Right view pro program and last year done clinics with Don.
 
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I think the right view pro if use right will make good hitters, great hitters.
 
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Is the "right view pro" an individual program that can be purchased individually(?), or an expensive system that a team or organization would buy and implement. I ask because I am VERY interested in helping my daughter go from being a simple athletic hitter who uses raw talent, to becoming a systematic type hitter, with stronger fundamentals.

I have used Brownlees in past for this with my boys with success, but not sure that is best for my 11u girl.

I have played baseball and competitive men's tournament fastpitch softball, and had great success in fastpitch using my baseball swing. The times and theories may have changed since the 1980's though (LOL).
 
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pickles said:
Is the "right view pro" an individual program that can be purchased individually(?), or an expensive system that a team or organization would buy and implement. I ask because I am VERY interested in helping my daughter go from being a simple athletic hitter who uses raw talent, to becoming a systematic type hitter, with stronger fundamentals.

I have used Brownlees in past for this with my boys with success, but not sure that is best for my 11u girl.

I have played baseball and competitive men's tournament fastpitch softball, and had great success in fastpitch using my baseball swing. The times and theories may have changed since the 1980's though (LOL).
There's a $250 version (CV300) and a $2500 version (IS300), and then there is the camera - their recommended selections are about $450. See http://www.rightviewpro.com/index.php for details.
 
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I think you can go to right view pro web site and buy it but Leon when he sells it to colleges he show them how to use the program. Has anyone bought a right view pro program, i thought leon said he sold one to some one that comes on OFC?
 
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Spinball- I'm A little confused now, how does A batter generate any bat speed without the use of thier hips. If andrea says no squash the bug than what techniques is he teaching to generate bat speed? I watched a program with the UCLA coach last spring and she was teaching loading and keeping the barrell of the bat in the zone as long as possible. Her girls were entering the zone from at or below the shoulder ?and sweeping the zone with the barrell. One drill she used was to have her players swing with fungo bats. She believed if you could hit the fungo properly then you were useing proper mechanics. One last thing does Andreas' belief on no squashing the bug have anything to do with his transition to more of a speed game? Thanks
 
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Be aware that the video material from Enquist and Candrea has evolved as their respective hitting philosophies have evolved.

Their latest material advocates a softball swing that emulates the Major League baseball swing. Though some terminology is different, this is essentially what is referred to a a "rotational" swing.

This hitting technique goes against the grain of what has been taught in the fastpitch world for many years. For decades, the fastpitch player was instructed in a more "linear" technique- stride into the pitch, swing down on the ball, fully extend the arms- with a goal of just making contact and hoping that those weak grounders find a hole or that the batter can beat a throw at first.

This approach was ingrained for so long in the fastpitch world that the change has been slow and there has been much resistance. The technology available today- most notably high speed video- allows anyone to analyze the best, and most successful, hitters in the world, be they baseball or softball players.

The video doesn't lie. The most successful hitters in the world use rotational hitting techniques. Though individual styles and stances may vary, from load to launch hitters employing rotational techniques all have an almost identical swing. The common touchpoints of the rotational swing are evident.

MOE4516, you ask a good question about "squashing the bug" and the use of the hips. If I'm lucky, I might be able to give you a good answer!

The phrase "squash the bug" can indeed reinforce a hitter turning her hips. But, it is not the optimal way to get those hips going!

"Squashing the bug" implies that the hitters weight is pressing down on that back foot. If your weight is distributed on the back foot like that, you are leaving a lot of rotational power on the table. This is commonly referred to as "reverse pivot".

Yes, turning the hips is essential to generating the maximum rotational torque. However, the "squash the bug" cue is a fundamental misinterpretation of the "cause and effect" involved in this turning.

Spinning on the back foot should not be the "cause" that generates the hips to turn. The back foot going up on its toe is, in fact, an effect generated by a powerful hip turn.

The rear foot goes up on its toe as an effect of the rotational forces trying to go forward. As these powerfull forces try to throw the body forward, the front leg should stiffen to resist the forward motion. The back foot is not bearing weight and squishing down. It is actually coming up and possibly off the ground, while bearing only a small portion of the hitters weight.

If you watched a program with the UCLA coach (Enquist) last spring, it was most likely some of her older material. Her latest videos make this older material obsolete. She is now on record as saying that the fastpitch softball swing should emulate that of professional baseball.

And professional baseball players DO NOT squish the bug. Yes, their back foot will turn and go up on the toes, but the foot is NOT bearing weight or squishing down and the turning foot is NOT the generator for hip rotation.
 
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Moe
I tend to agree with a lot of what has been posted here. I would keep one thing in mind as you are looking at different hitting techniques and methods of teaching is to realize that some of this terminology MAY have been developed to correct specific problems that were prevelant in the game of softball. Ex. "squash the bug" several years ago when we started playing fastpitch I saw a lot of girls shift their weight forward very early in their swing and far enough forward that their balancing point had a great deal of weight beyond their front foot. Even the novice that I am could see that there were problems with that kind of a swing. Telling them to squash the bug might help correct this problem. I am sure you can look at other hitting methods and see where they CAN be useful. Unfortunately what happens all too often is a coach or parent sees improvement in one player, and decides this is what every player needs.
 
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RightViewPro also has a $65 instuctional CD. ?The prices referenced above are for their packages that work with video you take and ?feed into the software for comparisons to various Olympic players. ?The instructional CD is very good and is a stand alone product.

I bought a software package last Spring called MotionPro that goes for about $80 and lets you also feed your own video into it for analysis. ?Although it does not give you the comparison to other players, it is a useful product (and can also be used for other sports). ?www.pdsoftec.com

I would highly recommend that all parents learn all they can about hitting by reading and studying everything you can get your hands on. ?When it comes to hitting, it seems EVERYONE is an "expert". ?Don't believe anything anyone tells you; learn it for yourself. ?Some of the worst instructors I've ever seen are people who claim to be experts and charge money for lessons. ?
 
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Moe, good questions! Candrea os advocating a combination of Linier (Charlie Lau students-George Brett to Alex Rodreguez) in the pre-swing, and Rotational (Ted Williams) in the actual swing. You really need to buy the disk from Right View Pro and than let a great hitting instructor break it down for you. :)
 
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Dogsdad
Ask Michigans head coach and see what she says if one person did good on her team. Me and Leon went to see the Michigan and Bowling Green game last spring and Leon was talking to Michigans coach and she said she loved the Right View Program that he sold her. Dogsdad just e-mail her
 
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Spinball
As often happens when I post, I think what I put down is actually a good explanation of my thoughts, but it really isn't. I am an advocate of using whatever tools are available, and have used a video camera to help show my girls things they need to work on. I am sure the Right View is a great tool, and would love to have one. What I was trying to point out is that in attempting to help players, a coach or hitting instructor comes up with a drill, phraseology, that is really aimed at helping a player/s with a particular problem. It gets picked up by others and pretty soon, it is thought of as great wisdom. Maybe a better example of this is the step vs. no step debate. There is nothing inherently right or wrong about either method. Either way can work. You can watch successful baseball players that have all different kinds of strides, and even some that if most of us saw our DD's doing might cause us to have a coronary on the spot. Some of those stances, strides etc are used to help a player overcome a certain problem. The same applies to softball hitting, there are phrases and teaching techniques that should only be used in situations where it is appropriate, but unfortunately have been applied across the board.
 
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To all, I believe that the technique that you teach a player to hit with must fit the philosophy of the player at the plate. I'm not sure yet that there is much difference between rotational and linier hitting. I think this is true, there are push hitters and there are pull hitters. Most baseball players that hit off of a firm front side with little or no weight on thier back foot are more push than pull. It is the opposite with more weight on back foot, they tend to be more pull hitters. Then there are the great hitters that are push and pull. What I want to find out is First, is it possible to read the type of pitch & location off of a great softball pitcher ( whatever the age ) ? Second, and I know this is very subjective , What pitch gives hitters at the highest level the most difficulty? To build a swing that fits these two questions is a great place to start. In baseball I know it is possible to read pitches, i'm not so sure in softball. If you can't read pitches in softball and your just hitting velocity and location then one technique is better than the other. If you can read pitches then rotational hitting along with staying inside the ball makes the most sense. I have more thoughts on hitting I would like to discuss ?but we'll save them for A later date. Thanks
 

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