Ump out of line?

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Playing our first game last Sunday. Our team is down 5-0 in the 3rd inning. Player from the other team hits a triple down the left field line. It was a nice hit for sure, but after she reaches 3rd base, the home plate umpire calls time, walks down the line to 3rd, and gives the girl a high 5! And our team and parents were on the 3rd base side! We were floored! Luckily, our girls didn't let it get to them and rallied for a 9-5 win, but it had to be the most unprofessional thing I've ever seen an ump do. We wanted to say something to the tourney director, but were afraid we'd see that same ump later on in the day. Anyone else seen something like this?

 

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never seen anything like that.Totaly wrong.

 

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Ouch !!

 

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Must have been a Cincinnati Ump.

 

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Last year we played in a tourney in Southern Ohio and one of the Local teams players hits a double in the sixth and the plate ump jumps ump and cheers "Nice shot Lori !".
My assistant coach looks over at me and throws up his hands. I called time and asked the field ump what the hell was that and he says "He knows her very well and umps a lot of her HS games". After that shot the strike zone seemed to be very tiny for our pitchers.

Home cooking ? ;&

We won the game but that was very un-professional in my opinion.

 

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Unfortunately any time you make a comment to the ump, you will notice a change in the strike zone. Can't believe such unprofessional behavior, but as I say anytime you deal with humans, you never know what you are going to get.

 

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I've also noticed a bit more hostility from the umps this season. I know it's a tough job and they have to deal with some real "winners", but what is this showing the players? The ump sets the tone for the whole game. A good, friendly ump makes for a better, more sportsman-like game, in my opinion.

 

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I agree with that. We had some very friendly umpires at Capital City Showdown. Didn't agree with every call but all in all they were pretty good.

 

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My dd is a catcher and she has gotten to know a few umps, but that would be weird.

 

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In what tournament did that happen?

 

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Uncle Stan's in North Ridgeville.

 

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It always seems that every tournament you go to, has an umpire that always interjects his so called "power" and makes a questionable call.And its not only in our games ,but every game he umpires.Let the girls on the field decide the game ,not an umpire that thinks he is BIGGER than the game!!!

 

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Playing our first game last Sunday. Our team is down 5-0 in the 3rd inning. Player from the other team hits a triple down the left field line. It was a nice hit for sure, but after she reaches 3rd base, the home plate umpire calls time, walks down the line to 3rd, and gives the girl a high 5! And our team and parents were on the 3rd base side! We were floored! Luckily, our girls didn't let it get to them and rallied for a 9-5 win, but it had to be the most unprofessional thing I've ever seen an ump do. We wanted to say something to the tourney director, but were afraid we'd see that same ump later on in the day. Anyone else seen something like this?

Last year we played in a tourney in Southern Ohio and one of the Local teams players hits a double in the sixth and the plate ump jumps ump and cheers "Nice shot Lori !".
My assistant coach looks over at me and throws up his hands. I called time and asked the field ump what the hell was that and he says "He knows her very well and umps a lot of her HS games". After that shot the strike zone seemed to be very tiny for our pitchers.

Home cooking ? ;&

We won the game but that was very un-professional in my opinion.

Very Un-Ethical to say the least, and I don't care who he/she is.

The H.S. Ump mentioned is way out of line, I guess he forgot the OFFICIATING CODE OF ETHICS at the High School Level here are just a few and they READ:

An official must resist every temptation and outside pressure to use one's position as an official to benefit one-self. Under all circumstances, officials must avoid promoting the special interest of any person or group of persons other than the athletes we serve.

An Official must constantly uphold the honor and dignity of the avocation in all personal conduct and relations with the student-athletes, coaches, athletic director, school administrators, colleagues, and the public, to be a worthy example to the athletes under one's jurisdiction.

Every member of the officiating profession carries a responsibilty to act in a manner becoming a professional person. The conduct of any offical influences the attitude of the public towards the proffession in general as well as towards the official in particular.

Irritated!

FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing to SLOW

 

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Quick question BLUE? Runner on third with two outs, the batter is walked and runs towards second base without stopping.The runner on third is three feet off the bag moving toward home.The pitcher has the ball in the circle ,but never looks at the runner on third .She only watches the girl going to second and even throws the ball in the air.Realilizing they wasnt going to make a play on the runner advancing to second base , the runner on third returned to third base.The home plate umpire calls time and calls out the runner on third for the one second rule.Was that the right call , even if the pitcher never even looks at the runner on third???

 

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I believe she still has to go back or go home once pitcher is in the circle with no attempt at making a play

 

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I was watching a game recently, and it was a complete run rule. Well the team I was rooting for won 15-1, and the pitcher struck out 9 in five innings. The umpire went up to her and told her she needed to seriously work on her location, and that she wasn't that good. The entire crowd was floored because she threw a good game and hits her spots well for a 12 and Under!!

I would like to believe her coach would be responsible for telling her if she was missing her spots, and at that age, we all know location is not perfect. However, it's not really the umpire's business to tell her what she needs to work on or improve upon.

I have umpired before so I know it is difficult. I do not like to argue with the umps or question them from the stands, but I do agree with others. Umpire the game with a good attitude, and consistent calls and it will be more enjoyable for all.

 

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As an umpire you can't coach or praise a player during a game. If someone has had a particularly good game, I'll pull their coach aside after everyone has shaken hands and let them know.

 

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Quick question BLUE? Runner on third with two outs, the batter is walked and runs towards second base without stopping.The runner on third is three feet off the bag moving toward home.The pitcher has the ball in the circle ,but never looks at the runner on third .She only watches the girl going to second and even throws the ball in the air.Realilizing they wasnt going to make a play on the runner advancing to second base , the runner on third returned to third base.The home plate umpire calls time and calls out the runner on third for the one second rule.Was that the right call , even if the pitcher never even looks at the runner on third???

The pitcher doesnt have to look at the runner, just have the ball in the circle. Once the baserunner stoped, she had to either go home or back. If she just stops then she is out. If she had her lead and then just went back without stoping, she (i would think) be safe at third. But she had to either go or home, or back no standing still.

Im sure bretman, or hey blue will correct me if i am wrong, but that is the way I understand it.

 

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Any umpire should do everything he can to enforce the notion that he is an unbiased, neutral observer. Fraternizing with players, coaches or spectators should be kept to an absolute minimum beyond casual pleasantries and communications necessary to relate game information.

An umpire "coaching" a player, trying to tell her how to play her position or offering "pointers", is a cardinal sin. The umpire should not be making comments on the player's performance or play.

There are a hundred little things an umpire can do that might give the appearance or perception that he's favoring one team or the other, from chit-chatting with the base coaches, to accepting an offer of a drink of water from one team or the other, to being overly eager with retreiving loose bats or equipment for the players, to standing in one dugout or the other to get some shade on a particularly hot day.

And, certainly, the plate umpire leaving his position to "celebrate" with a player standing on third base would fall into that category!

Why shoot yourself in the foot? You'll find enough trouble on the ballfield as it is, without going out of your way to look for it. Anything that gives one team the impression that you might be showing favoritism toward the other is just asking for trouble.

CONQUEST07, on the play you asked about:

- There is no such thing as a "one second rule". If that's what the umpire told you, he needs to brush up on the rules! There is a "Look Back Rule" that could apply here, but there's nothing in that rule about "one second" being any sort of a time limit.

- Despite the name, there's nothing in the Look Back Rule about the pitcher having to actually look at the runners when it is in effect.

- If, as you stated, the runner from third base was "off the bag and moving toward home", she hasn't violated any requirement of the Look Back Rule- at least not yet.

- If the pitcher "threw the ball in the air", then she obviously did not have possession of it while it was in the air. If the pitcher does not have possession of the ball, the Look Back Rule isn't even in effect and you can't call a runner out for violating it!

What is the right call? Hard to tell from the information provided. It depends on the timing of what the runner from third did and if the pitcher was holding the ball when she did it.

 

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The pitcher doesnt have to look at the runner, just have the ball in the circle. Once the baserunner stoped, she had to either go home or back. If she just stops then she is out. If she had her lead and then just went back without stoping, she (i would think) be safe at third. But she had to either go or home, or back no standing still.

Im sure bretman, or hey blue will correct me if i am wrong, but that is the way I understand it.

The runner at third can do whatever she wants (stand still, juke, do the moonwalk) until the batter-runner reaches first base. From that point forward the look back rule is in effect and she must either advance or return to third.