What are your plans for ASA State?

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Who is signing up and sending full payment now? Why would you? Last year, we, along with more than a few teams had to pull out of ASA State due to the stupid 'already have a berth? you can't play' rule ASA Ohio has in place.

What that means to teams wanting to get in now is that you have to send $425 in to the state tourney and money to a 'backup' tourney in case you qualify for a national tourney before state. How stupid is that?

I sent in $200 to the ASA State 14u TD, but really I probably should have just held off and waited until June to decide - with the 'rule' in place, they shouldn't fill the tourney - spots will be open to the last week. As a TD that ****s and is not fair to them after they bid for the berths with ASA Ohio. Last year, we had to scramble to find a backup tourney to play in - one not nearly as strong as ASA State would have been - although it watered down as at least 3 top team 12u teams had to pull out. The 12u team that won didn't even go to ASA USA Nat's .. I wonder how many 'state' winners at the various age groups last year did not take the berth? That is an embarasement to ASA Ohio that their State champs did not even take the berth earned.

Well, I have vented .. it cost us a few good teams in the Metro, thankfully, it is in early June and most teams are not affected... So, what is everyone else doing? What is your 'backup' tourney plan?

 

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I have a couple questions.

*How many bids does ASA States give out? I think it is based on how many teams, but not sure. I think 12U gave out 4 last year.

* Is Ohio the only state that has this rule? How does California handle this?

As for the ASA State 12U winner, I am pretty sure they won NSA States too. They chose to represent down there. Who knows why they chose NSA, but that is their prerogative. Maybe because they had a team from their org already representing down in bama? I do agree with you about the rule. It is dumb and that it will give a lot of good teams problems who qualify early and have to rearrange their whole schedule.

 

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I have a couple questions.

*How many bids does ASA States give out? I think it is based on how many teams, but not sure. I think 12U gave out 4 last year.

* Is Ohio the only state that has this rule? How does California handle this?

As for the ASA State 12U winner, I am pretty sure they won NSA States too. They chose to represent down there. Who knows why they chose NSA, but that is their prerogative. Maybe because they had a team from their org already representing down in bama? I do agree with you about the rule. It is dumb and that it will give a lot of good teams problems who qualify early and have to rearrange their whole schedule.

Thought it was a set number of 4 births from ASA States

Ohio is not the only state that has this rule

 

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Doug,

I can tell you that we are sending our money in early to ASA States. Their listed deadline to enter is 6/10. I don't want to be rushed around trying to get in it right after the Hawks ASA/USA. If we qualify before then, we will have to scramble trying to find a tournament to jump in. Hopefully there is something available.

 

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According to the ASA website Ohio gets 5 bids to ASA/USA in each age division. That # is based on the total # teams registered in the State the previous year. If there are 3 different ASA/USA qualifiers in Ohio plus the ASA State tournament, does that mean only 2 bids come from the State Tournament???

 

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Well I was told 14U had these
States 4
Region 9 1
Cin Metro 1
Pa/Oh tourn. 1
Strongsville 1

Thats 8 so far.

 

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we wanted to... can't go due to the rule. And why shouldn't my team earn what little interest on the $ vs the TD...

Not liking the OHIO rule but have to live with it. Doug is right on in many aspects. I have a TD holding me a spot till I know what the final answer is for our Cincy Metro team and if we can play in berth awarding tournaments... not looking good. Our goal is to play top competition and from our experience these are the tournaments to be in... not a perfect statement but not bad.

 

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Who is signing up and sending full payment now? Why would you? Last year, we, along with more than a few teams had to pull out of ASA State due to the stupid 'already have a berth? you can't play' rule ASA Ohio has in place.

What that means to teams wanting to get in now is that you have to send $425 in to the state tourney and money to a 'backup' tourney in case you qualify for a national tourney before state. How stupid is that?

I sent in $200 to the ASA State 14u TD, but really I probably should have just held off and waited until June to decide - with the 'rule' in place, they shouldn't fill the tourney - spots will be open to the last week. As a TD that ****s and is not fair to them after they bid for the berths with ASA Ohio. Last year, we had to scramble to find a backup tourney to play in - one not nearly as strong as ASA State would have been - although it watered down as at least 3 top team 12u teams had to pull out. The 12u team that won didn't even go to ASA USA Nat's .. I wonder how many 'state' winners at the various age groups last year did not take the berth? That is an embarasement to ASA Ohio that their State champs did not even take the berth earned.

Well, I have vented .. it cost us a few good teams in the Metro, thankfully, it is in early June and most teams are not affected... So, what is everyone else doing? What is your 'backup' tourney plan?

I agree Doug.

My issue is the tournament label that the winner will be declared a "State" champion. It doesn't seem right to use that distinction when teams are told they cannot compete for ANY reason. Oh well, the powers to be are getting away with it and the hype keeps the tourney fruitful.

 

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Great thread Doug.
This is a stupid rule by ASA.
Girls who play on teams that earn their USA/ASA berth before ASA states tournament are deprived of the college exposure that ASA states can provide.Unless they give up the berth, who would do that?
This rule does not only hurt the girls on those teams, it also hurts the girls on all the teams that come to ASA states to play against the best competition.

ASA should let teams that already have their berth play ASA states but pass any berth they win to the next team in line. All girls get to play their state tournament, no harm no foul.

Ohio berths per classification
Dayton metro 1
Cincinnati metro 1
Strongsville 1
Shreve 1
ASA states 4
correct me if i'm wrong

Another stupid decision is that ASA has limited control over its metros.
With the limited number of opportunities that ohio teams have to earn a ASA/USA berth we have two of Ohios berths being awarded at two different tournaments on the same weekend.
Shreve vs Dayton metro.

The Dayton metro has been moved back a week to accommodate the girls who may be playing in the highschool state tournament. Totally understandable.
But by doing this we are hurting the girls who would have played in Dayton metro and Shreve for a chance to win a ASA/USA berth.

Like Doug said in his original post "this ****s"
You would think that the adults who are in control of these berths could work together so that the children that work so hard at their sport could have the chance to display their skill at every USA/ASA qualifier ,including ASA states.

Great job helping girls reach their goals Doug, keep it up.
Kids are great ,adults s**k
Just had to vent.

 

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"ASA should let teams that already have their berth play ASA states but pass any berth they win to the next team in line. All girls get to play their state tournament, no harm no foul."

Firststrike
I understand why the do it. They dont want the best team in the state to possibly knock out 2nd best team in state and them never getting chance to play.

I think better option would be to play states first then you could have all teams at states

 

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not necessarily, teams winning a year end regional or national (actually I think a top 2-4 finish) qualify for the next year as I understand it. So, they have theirs locked up in August of the prev year - Les is in that boat right now, as is one of our Hawks teams... if the best teams play, they should seed and not meet until the final 8 or later ...

 

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Great thread Doug.
This is a stupid rule by ASA.
Girls who play on teams that earn their USA/ASA berth before ASA states tournament are deprived of the college exposure that ASA states can provide.Unless they give up the berth, who would do that?
This rule does not only hurt the girls on those teams, it also hurts the girls on all the teams that come to ASA states to play against the best competition.

ASA should let teams that already have their berth play ASA states but pass any berth they win to the next team in line. All girls get to play their state tournament, no harm no foul.

Ohio berths per classification
Dayton metro 1
Cincinnati metro 1
Strongsville 1
Shreve 1
ASA states 4
correct me if i'm wrong

Another stupid decision is that ASA has limited control over its metros.
With the limited number of opportunities that ohio teams have to earn a ASA/USA berth we have two of Ohios berths being awarded at two different tournaments on the same weekend.
Shreve vs Dayton metro.

The Dayton metro has been moved back a week to accommodate the girls who may be playing in the highschool state tournament. Totally understandable.
But by doing this we are hurting the girls who would have played in Dayton metro and Shreve for a chance to win a ASA/USA berth.

Like Doug said in his original post "this ****s"
You would think that the adults who are in control of these berths could work together so that the children that work so hard at their sport could have the chance to display their skill at every USA/ASA qualifier ,including ASA states.

Great job helping girls reach their goals Doug, keep it up.
Kids are great ,adults s**k
Just had to vent.

The Metro's in Ohio are a complete separate entity from Ohio ASA. Ohio ASA has no control over them, however, to some degree they do work together in some situations.

 

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not necessarily, teams winning a year end regional or national (actually I think a top 2-4 finish) qualify for the next year as I understand it. So, they have theirs locked up in August of the prev year - Les is in that boat right now, as is one of our Hawks teams... if the best teams play, they should seed and not meet until the final 8 or later ...

You qualify as long as you return 5 or more players from your team that won the Regional or National. My team is in the same situation.

As far as # of teams that can qualify for ASA/USA, I got this from the Qualifications section of the ASA website:
Association Berths based on previous years Girls Fast Pitch registrations: Associations registering 201 - 999 teams receives one ( 1 ) berth, for associations above 999 teams, those associations will receive an additional berth for each increment of 500 team registrations. As an example, an association that registers 2900 teams would receive 5 total berths. The best way to determine the berths is to take total registered teams and divide by 500. the number of berths is the whole number. no rounding up. Ohio had 2505 teams registered in 2011 which = 5 berths.

 

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"ASA should let teams that already have their berth play ASA states but pass any berth they win to the next team in line. All girls get to play their state tournament, no harm no foul."

Firststrike
I understand why the do it. They dont want the best team in the state to possibly knock out 2nd best team in state and them never getting chance to play.

I think better option would be to play states first then you could have all teams at states

Very smart idea
Pass it on to ASA.
But why didnt they think of that?
WWolff always pleasure,love the way you treat kids on your team and teams you compete with.

 

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The Metro's in Ohio are a complete separate entity from Ohio ASA. Ohio ASA has no control over them, however, to some degree they do work together in some situations.

As i stated in my post, ASA has limited control over metros.
Fast2Home you are right I should have said that they have no control over metros.

But with ASA being the one offering the berth to their ASA/USA nationals, they could at least ensure that two berths are not given away on the same weekend in any given state.

Am I the only one who wants to give ohio teams every chance they can to win a ASA/USA berth.

GO WIZARDS

 

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Very smart idea
Pass it on to ASA.
But why didnt they think of that?
WWolff always pleasure,love the way you treat kids on your team and teams you compete with.

Thank You

 

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I agree Doug.

My issue is the tournament label that the winner will be declared a "State" champion. It doesn't seem right to use that distinction when teams are told they cannot compete for ANY reason. Oh well, the powers to be are getting away with it and the hype keeps the tourney fruitful.

If your goal is to be the STATE CHAMPION, then give up the bid and try to win the title. You have to determine what is the goal for the team.

Here is the thing anyway. Is it really the state champion any year? Not all teams go to ASA. Some really good teams only play NSA.

Or maybe a team's goal is USSA, then they aren't going ASA anyway.

 

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After seeing how many teams declined berths to go to USA/ASA last year (14u and 12u), it is my belief that if you want to go, you'll be able to go. It's speaks volumes of where Ohio stands as a whole, when so many teams passed on the chance to go. If you really are deserving to go to ASA nationals, give up your previous berth and lock horns at state. If you're in doubt, then keep the one you have and let others battle it out.

As far as 16u goes, that seems to be the only age group where there are more teams wanting to go than there are spots available. I'm sure this is due to the amount of college exposure at that national.

It's only a matter of time before a thread like this pops up about PGF. They have the same rule as ASA, forcing teams to give up their berth in order to play in another qualifier.

IMHO.

 

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If your goal is to be the STATE CHAMPION, then give up the bid and try to win the title. You have to determine what is the goal for the team.

Here is the thing anyway. Is it really the state champion any year? Not all teams go to ASA. Some really good teams only play NSA.

Or maybe a team's goal is USSA, then they aren't going ASA anyway.

Steve what really good teams only play NSA ?

I would honestly say ASA has the best teams by far. Especially at 16U and 18U

 

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Doug,
When backing out of a tournament because you did not want to forfeit your ASA bid, did you play strictly non ASA tournaments? Were you allowed to play in ASA Eastern Qualifiers and/or play up in ASA Eastern Qualifiers? Do you know the ASA rules for playing in ASA Eastern Qualifiers either in your age bracket or playing up in the next age bracket after qualifying for ASA/USA?