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We have a runner on first base. The batter has 1 strike on her, but for some reason she thinks she has 2. On what is actually only her 2nd strike, the catcher bobbles the ball and the batter (thinking that she struck out) runs to 1st and the baserunner on first takes off. The throw from the catcher to first is overthrown. The original baserunner scores and the batter is now on 2nd. The umpire called the batter back to continue batting and made the original baserunner go back to first. No stolen bases for the original baserunner????????????
 
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Interesting. I don't know but I guess he might have considered the batter running to first some kind of interference. Like to see our rule Guru's tell us about this one. :-/

A batter should leave the batters box when baserunners are stealing.
 
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I'm no expert, but I would think that the run should score. The defense should know the count and play accordingly. The fact they threw the ball around made the play live for the runner. As long as they're still throwing it around the runner should be able to advance at their own peril. If in the same scenario the batter never left, but the runner stole second and continued around the bases it would have been a score.
 
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I agree, the run should score and the batter resumes her at bat with 2 strikes. The catcher should know the count.
 
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I'd like to hear Bretman on this. I think it's a judgment call by the umpire. If the ump thought it was done deliberately, he/she could return base-runner. I could be wrong, but I seen a similar situation with ball 4. Team tried sending runner down to 1st for a walk on ball 3 w/runner at 1st. They got away with it the 1st time, umpire smartened up the 2nd. It could be possible that seeing the mistake of batter he called dead ball/time. Did umpire offer up explanation?
 
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the runner on 1st should have been credited for a steal to 2nd. when the ball began to be thrown around the runner can advance at her own risk. run should have scored, and batter should have been brought back to complete her at-bat. the other team should have known the count/situation. when they decided to throw the ball around, the runner should not have been punished for their ignorance of the game situation. atleast thats my take on this. :cool:
 
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Score the run. 2 strikes on the batter after a long talk with the defensive coach.
 
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1st question did the coach tell her to run??
The runner should have been put back on 2nd with a stolen base as the batter caused the throw to go to 1st.
2nd question how many outs??
If less than 2 then the catcher should have thrown to 2nd as the batter could not run to 1st, as it was occupied.
 
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Soft77...2 outs. This is a 10U team. Runners went on their own. Definitely a learning experience! I personally think the first base runner should have at least gotten 2nd. I also think the first base coach should probably have kept the base runner informed of what was going on.....a little reminding never hurts!!! ;)
 
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In high school softball, there is a similar Case Book play (3.6.13B) where the batter runs to first on ball three. If the umpire judges that the batter ran on purpose, the umpire could eject the batter for unsportsmanlike play. Otherwise, the umpire can warn the offending team that the next batter who does this can be ejected.

It would be kind of hard to prove that this was done "on purpose" and ejection should only be a last resort. But it is a tool the umpire has in his back pocket to address this. The Case Book play also notes that the defense is responsible for knowing the count and situation and that the advance by the runner already on base stands.

For travel ball, there is no such written interpretation covering this. If the umpire suspects that the batter running is an intentional act to fool the defense, he might make a warning at his own discretion. It would probably have to happen more than once for me to decide that this is a coached, intentional play. Before that point, again, the advance by the runner is legal, the batter is returned to the plate without penalty and the defense should know better than to throw the ball when there is no play to be had.

There is one other option the umpire has- the rules about a batter remaining in the batter's box between pitches. The first time this happens, I'm probably going to let the play stand. If it happens again, I'm going to tell the batter to get back in the box. If she does not comply within ten seconds, a penalty strike can be accessed. That would be strike three, the batter would be out and if that is a coached tactic you have probably put an end to it for the rest of the game.

The only way this can be interference on the batter is if the batter, while out of the box, actually interfers with a legitimate play by the defense. For example, if the runner on first tries to get back to the bag and the throw actually hits the batter while she is down the line, that could be ruled as interference.
 
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Warnings are sooo goofy. This would make a great Intentional play. Use it to advance your runners, maybe even score and all you have to worry about is a warning. You probably only need to use once per game anyway so why not take the waning and say "me bad", maybe win the game.

Not my idea of fair play. Rules are in place to help insure fair play and I think "warnings" do nothing towards that end. If you are do whatever type to win, warnings won't slow ya down. JMHO
 
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I'm all for fair play, and not especially a big fan of warnings, either. The only problem here is that, with the exception of the high school case play, there really isn't any specific rule to address this.

That puts the umpire in awkward position. You want to ensure fair play and prevent one team from gaining any advantage not intended by the rules. But, with no rule to apply, you would be forced to make one up- never a good practice.

Maybe the batter made an honest mistake. Maybe she ran on purpose to confuse the defense. How could you possibly know for sure which was the case? A warning in this instance might serve to put that team on notice and prevent this from happening again.

If this is a coached play, then shame on the coach! It is too bad if a team has to resort to such tricky tactics. You might even say that this tactic is unethical. Unfortunately, the rules don't allow an umpire to make a judgment of one team's ethics. Your hands are kind of tied on how to deal with this.

The umpire can, to some degree, apply some preventive officiating to nip this in the bud. One good game management technique is to give the count clearly and often, so that everyone is on the same page as far as the number of balls and strikes. If a batter starts to take off when she's not supposed to, the umpire can quickly come up and announce, "Hold on batter, that's only strike two (or ball three). Get back in the box!". That should kill any confusion on the spot.

I haven't personally seen a rash of plays like this and the very few times it has happened, that technique has stopped the play cold.
 
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