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NSA Game. Bases loaded. Batted ball hit between first and second hits runner en route from first to second. Umpire calls dead ball prior to batter-runner reaching first. Runner hit by batted ball is called out. "Dead ball" call is made prior to batter-runner reaching first. Umpire awards first to batter-runner. WTF?

 

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It is an immediate dead ball, but what did the umpire do with the other runners that were on 2nd and 3rd? With less than 2 outs, the runner that interfered with the batted ball is out, the runners should have been returned to 2nd and 3rd and the batter should have been awarded 1st base, unless a fielder other than the pitcher tried to make a play on the ball before and in front of the runner, in which case should have remained a live ball.

Len

 

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After some discussion he returned those runners to their bases.

 

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It appears to have been handled correctly.

Len

 

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The ump made the right call.

 

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Thanks.

 

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Was the 1st basemen in front of the runner?
Did she have a legitimate chance at the ball?
If yes to both it should have been a live ball and no one is automatically out.

 

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Was the 1st basemen in front of the runner?
Did she have a legitimate chance at the ball?
If yes to both it should have been a live ball and no one is automatically out.

Correct for NSA rules. ASA requires a 3rd question - did another fielder have an opportunity to make an out? It is interference if there was.

 

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First baseman was four feet inside baseline in fair territory. Second baseman was between runner and grass. Ball contacted runner in front of second baseman. After ball contacted runner, fielder picked up ball and threw to first just prior or at same time as batter runner reaching first.

 

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Correct for NSA rules. ASA requires a 3rd question - did another fielder have an opportunity to make an out? It is interference if there was.

Which i believe they should get rid of that rule, because that answer could almost always be yes. Another fielder (could of) got the ball and made a throw to get another girl out trying to get and extra base, like; runner at second was trying to run all the way home, right fielder could of had a chance to get the ball and throw her out at home.

 

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Which i believe they should get rid of that rule, because that answer could almost always be yes. Another fielder (could of) got the ball and made a throw to get another girl out trying to get and extra base, like; runner at second was trying to run all the way home, right fielder could of had a chance to get the ball and throw her out at home.

Interference would only be called if it prevented a fielder from making an out on a play that was readily available (e.g. R3 at 2nd or BR at 1st), not from a play that might develop later.

 

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Had this situation... runner on second base... my daughter tatoos a shot back up the middle, runner on second tries to but cannot avoid the ball... she has taken her lead off only... second basemen and shortstop no where close to the play... the runner is called out...

Technically, as I understand it... because there is no way either the second basemen or the shortstop were going to make the play on the ball... the girl should not have been called out... is the ball then "live" and play as normal?

 

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Whenever a batted ball hits a runner who is off base, you still have to judge if the ball has passed a fielder (excluding the pitcher) or not. That can be kind of tough to judge if the fielders are far apart (like F4 and F6 on a ball hit up the middle).

Here is how you make that judgment: Draw a line straight from one fielder to the next. If the runner is behind that line, then she can be considered as "past" the fielders.

 

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The batter is awarded first, immediate dead ball. runner hit is out. other runners advance if forced forward by awarding first.

 

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Interference would only be called if it prevented a fielder from making an out on a play that was readily available (e.g. R3 at 2nd or BR at 1st), not from a play that might develop later.

I maybe wrong but i dont think the rule says : to get a runner out before she reaches the next base. i believe it says "if another fielder had an opportunity to make a play."

 

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I maybe wrong but i dont think the rule says : to get a runner out before she reaches the next base. i believe it says "if another fielder had an opportunity to make a play."

ASA defines "a play" under Rule 1. "A Play" is an attempt by a defensive player to retire an offensive player.

So, yes, there must be an actual chance of an out being made with the batted ball. That doesn't apply to "future" plays that might present themselves. It's the one chance that fielding the batted ball presents.

 

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so are you saying a force out, and would a tag out be a considered a future play.

 

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so are you saying a force out, and would a tag out be a considered a future play.

There needs to be an out immediately available to the fielder who is fielding the ball. Could be a force out, could be a tag out. But it must be available at the moment when the ball is actually fielded- not on any continuing action after the runners have safely reached a base, then might or might not decide to advance.

 

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Question:

If second baseman had collided with runner as the batted ball contacted her, or at least prior to "dead ball" call, what would the correct call be? ASA and NSA please.

 

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The umpire has to decide which happened first. Did the ball hit the runner or did the runner hit the fielder? Then you enforce the penalty for whichever happened first.

For either violation, the ball is immediately dead. Sure, there is going to be some time lag between the infraction and the umpire calling, "Dead ball". But the ball was dead the instant the interference occured and anything that happened after that point is moot.