When does it become harrassment or defamation?

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From a strictly legal standpoint--no actions possible I can see, although some may feel differently, but the burden is on the plaintiff to prove harm. If no one is quitting, and the girls are still getting thier scholarships, then hard to prove harm. Of course, since my DD has had interest from DII schools, I would love to know WHO this is;&!? AS usual, I have two minds over this whole issue: at these young ladies age, I was hauling an M16, and getting some "love" from the USMC, so what this coach is doing seems kind of tame; on the other hand, if I saw happen to one of my DD's, somebody may be needed fitted for dentures....

OOOHHH-RAH! Semper Fi

 

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Here is the issue I have with all abusive coaches. Few have any real objective.

At least in the Marine Corp there is a plan in place. It is all done for a reason. Tear down and build them back up into a finely tuned machine.

The real issue is that coaches like this do not have a "build back up process" they have no goal in mind other than winning...........and blaming.

Which brings me to my subject, a real coach has a goal tied to development and achievable goals. With a thought out plan. If a coach does it right, rolls out the plan, makes it obvious to the players. Then a big chewing out session is not needed.

Also, belittling a player in front of the whole rarely helps any one but the coach vent. They are not achieving any type if goal. This is true in almost any leadership position. The coach is just showing frustration and a lack of control. Which is not the best attiributes.

Remember these girls are there by choice. And they can leave. While you can not leave the Marines...............even if you enter by choice you will leave whne they are good and ready to let you go.

 

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Team has been up and down the last 6-7 years. According to their website, the last 2 years have seen two NCAA Regional appearances, a conference tournament championship, and a conference tournament runner-up (and 2 ADs). The regional appearances is my guess as to why the coach is still there. Can't say too much more or the Bear will be hunting me...

Hmm, I wonder if the winning is helping the AD make a point to overlook the behavior (see Bobby Knight)...? The Bear hunting? Impossible! Haha..

 

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Just sitting out here on the edge waiting to see where this one goes...

 

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Where are you sitting Bear? I want to make sure I'm not in the way.

 

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I think, should our dd get to play in college, threads like this are going to be at the forefront of our checking out a program. There's no way I'd want to see somebody having to deal with it.

 

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From a strictly legal standpoint--no actions possible I can see, although some may feel differently, but the burden is on the plaintiff to prove harm. If no one is quitting, and the girls are still getting thier scholarships, then hard to prove harm. Of course, since my DD has had interest from DII schools, I would love to know WHO this is;&!? AS usual, I have two minds over this whole issue: at these young ladies age, I was hauling an M16, and getting some "love" from the USMC, so what this coach is doing seems kind of tame; on the other hand, if I saw happen to one of my DD's, somebody may be needed fitted for dentures....

I'll go out on a limb here, and say that type of behavior could be expected in the USMC. What I don't agree with, is the comment on taking the type of action where" somebody may be needed fitted for dentures....."

First, it's just poor English. Second, it is the type of response one might expect from a mouth breather Neandrathal type. Once beyond being able to deal with a situation rationally, and intellectually, they just threaten violence.

 

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Merlion -- unfortunately a parent, when faced with someone threatening offspring, may feel a basic emotional response like protecting my dd at all costs. It may not be the most productive reaction, but is a reaction that is hard-wired into parents.

 

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I'm a parent too, and trust me when I say that I would want to protect against someone threatening my kids, but I'm not so cavalier as to immediately go the physical violence route.

We are talking Marines here though!

 

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I think most service vets would want to go down that path, at least part of the way.

 

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For the record, I am a veteran.

 

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Well I hope you weren't offended, it was not intended as such. But some of the men who have served that I know can be pretty forceful personalities.

 

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I'm not a veteran of the Marines or any other branch of the armed services but I might consider denturfying someone if they were treating my dd like that. Like Philbob mentioned, maternal or paternal instincts can be savage at times. That doesn't mean we'd do it, but we can always dream.

 

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I think what we all are saying is that we want to protect our kids, no matter what age. I wholeheartedly agree.

Our (parents) initial reaction would just naturally be to get in the "fight" with them, so to speak. This is where we are picking up the military references. I too am a retired veteran and I too have those initial feelings.

However.........At this point in your DD's life, we as parents need to resist that initial reaction and let our kids do the legwork themselves. Of course, as parents we will always provide advise to our DDs, even if they don't solicit it .

As I referenced in a earlier post, Elderstatesman is doing an excellent job of staying on the outside and providing a support role for his DD. I guess the real question is can I and the other parents do this when our DDs are faced with a similar situation? Hopefully I can. Only time will tell.

 

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I'm not a veteran of the Marines or any other branch of the armed services but I might consider denturfying someone if they were treating my dd like that. Like Philbob mentioned, maternal or paternal instincts can be savage at times. That doesn't mean we'd do it, but we can always dream.

I think what we all are saying is that we want to protect our kids, no matter what age. I wholeheartedly agree.

Our (parents) initial reaction would just naturally be to get in the "fight" with them, so to speak. This is where we are picking up the military references. I too am a retired veteran and I too have those initial feelings.

However.........At this point in your DD's life, we as parents need to resist that initial reaction and let our kids do the legwork themselves. Of course, as parents we will always provide advise to our DDs, even if they don't solicit it .

As I referenced in a earlier post, Elderstatesman is doing an excellent job of staying on the outside and providing a support role for his DD. I guess the real question is can I and the other parents do this when our DDs are faced with a similar situation? Hopefully I can. Only time will tell.

What this site needs is a "Like" button or "thumbs up" symbol at the bottom of individual posts, so we can show support/agreement without having to add a post saying "well said" or "I agree" or "great post".

So what do you say Bear? Is something like that doable?

 

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but then that would cut down on the number of posts a person makes, lol

 

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but then that would cut down on the number of posts a person makes, lol

I knew that was coming, lmao

I'm willing to bite that bullet.

 

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Hopefully, by the time your DD is of college age you, as a parent, have taught her how to deal with "unreasonable" people and situations. Unless there is high suspicion of impending bodily harm, a college age kid should be able to handle an occasional brow beating. Mental toughness is a wonderful trait, and the good thing about this particular situation is that it's only for four short years. Maybe that's how some of our military veterans got through... . Don't forget that many people also thought very highly of Bobby Knight's "methods". Y'know... sticks and stones...

 

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However.........At this point in your DD's life, we as parents need to resist that initial reaction and let our kids do the legwork themselves. Of course, as parents we will always provide advise to our DDs, even if they don't solicit it .

Wow, that means I have to save up money for bail as well because my DD probably would have leveled that coach.;&

 

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Okay, grabbed a couple of parents at the bar last night (I'm thinking about changing careers and becoming an investigative reporter). Turns out this is not the first time an incident of this type has occurred, numerous complaints about this coach have been filed with the college and last year a member of the AD's staff was assigned mid-season to travel with the team and be at all practices and games to monitor the coach's behavior.

If I were the AD.... it would take me one trip to monitor practice.... that would occur when I see the new coach in action.

Not saying this is my thoughts on this particular thread. Just saying there are bigger issues than babysitting an adult's behavior and how the coach handles his team. Employee the right person... easier said than done.