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It seems like the same teams (coaches) are always looking for players. Is developing players a lost art?? Do we just take whatever is avaliable then when something better comes along run off the weekest link?????????
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Because they are lousy coaches and kids quit every year ?????
Because they are lousy coaches and kids quit every year ?????
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I am not sure it is because they are lousy coaches.
Lets be realistic, there are certain teams out there that have no problem getting people to show up for their tryouts. They have tons of girls to choose from and don't need to advertise, because for every girl they kept, they had 20 that didn't make it.
I don't know exactly how many teams there are in Ohio, but from being on here, I would have to say that number is a lot higher than 5 years ago. Girls get on these teams and face those teams that are more experienced and get beaten, hence no one wants to play on a loosing team, so they go looking elsewhere. Or maybe the parents (who of course know more than the coaches) think their daughter isn't getting played correctly or enough. For whatever reason, these smaller teams cannot compete with the larger more established teams.
It also depends on why you and your daughter are playing travel ball. Is it for fun, for exposure, for a college scholarship? If your team isn't going to the tournaments that will help you achieve your goal, you will go find one that will.
I am not sure it is because they are lousy coaches.
Lets be realistic, there are certain teams out there that have no problem getting people to show up for their tryouts. They have tons of girls to choose from and don't need to advertise, because for every girl they kept, they had 20 that didn't make it.
I don't know exactly how many teams there are in Ohio, but from being on here, I would have to say that number is a lot higher than 5 years ago. Girls get on these teams and face those teams that are more experienced and get beaten, hence no one wants to play on a loosing team, so they go looking elsewhere. Or maybe the parents (who of course know more than the coaches) think their daughter isn't getting played correctly or enough. For whatever reason, these smaller teams cannot compete with the larger more established teams.
It also depends on why you and your daughter are playing travel ball. Is it for fun, for exposure, for a college scholarship? If your team isn't going to the tournaments that will help you achieve your goal, you will go find one that will.
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LOCK and LOAD!!!! Loaded question if ever I saw one. Just the kind I like.
Anyway, to answer your (sour grapes?) question. It runs the gamut, other than just lousy coaches.
Here are MHOs.
- Lousy coaches
- Thin talent (Why settle this early. You may find a stud in January)
- Too many (start-up) teams
- Gypsy parents who just can't commit
- Free agent playerts/parents who bolt at a better offer.
- Organization issues, (funding, cost, lies, etc.)
Could be any one of these things other than "lousy coaches" There a lot of good teams still looking for players who has good coaches. It goes both ways too. There are alot of players still looking also, WHY? Our roster is full and I've had calls about openings from some good players.
LOCK and LOAD!!!! Loaded question if ever I saw one. Just the kind I like.
Anyway, to answer your (sour grapes?) question. It runs the gamut, other than just lousy coaches.
Here are MHOs.
- Lousy coaches
- Thin talent (Why settle this early. You may find a stud in January)
- Too many (start-up) teams
- Gypsy parents who just can't commit
- Free agent playerts/parents who bolt at a better offer.
- Organization issues, (funding, cost, lies, etc.)
Could be any one of these things other than "lousy coaches" There a lot of good teams still looking for players who has good coaches. It goes both ways too. There are alot of players still looking also, WHY? Our roster is full and I've had calls about openings from some good players.
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I'm not sure the same teams ARE always looking for players. ?When I skim down through the "Coaches needing Players" threads, I see many different teams looking to fill spots. ?Sure, some teams bump up their posts more than others, but from where I'm sitting, the need for good players is wide-spread issue, not just limited to a few teams. ?
Sure, the more "established" teams fill up easier than the new organizations. ?That's normal. ?But there are many, really good teams in Ohio and I, for one, am really glad we have OFC to use as a resource when looking for players. ?We've acquired more than 1 good athlete, thanks to our posts on OFC. ?
I'm not sure the same teams ARE always looking for players. ?When I skim down through the "Coaches needing Players" threads, I see many different teams looking to fill spots. ?Sure, some teams bump up their posts more than others, but from where I'm sitting, the need for good players is wide-spread issue, not just limited to a few teams. ?
Sure, the more "established" teams fill up easier than the new organizations. ?That's normal. ?But there are many, really good teams in Ohio and I, for one, am really glad we have OFC to use as a resource when looking for players. ?We've acquired more than 1 good athlete, thanks to our posts on OFC. ?
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I think Ringer said it best with these three reasons:
- Too many (start-up) teams
- Gypsy parents who just can't commit
- Free agent playerts/parents who bolt at a better offer.
I think Ringer said it best with these three reasons:
- Too many (start-up) teams
- Gypsy parents who just can't commit
- Free agent playerts/parents who bolt at a better offer.
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This topic gets rehashed in one form or another every year, but some people continue to ignore reality. Don't shoot the messenger, either.
If you want to play against the top teams, you have to have the skill set to get on one of those teams. Don't kid yourself - at 14u and above, some of the best teams rarely practice as a team in summer. These kids just show up and compete.
So, how do these kids acquire the skills to have a shot at making one of these teams? They work hard INDIVIDUALLY over the winter. They don't expect a team coach to hold their hand and "develop" them into a stud. They figure out how to become good hitters, pitchers and fielders.
Don't blame a summer coach for being a bad coach! No one is holding your kid hostage! YOU chose the team. Don't get caught in the "trickle down" syndrome - practice and get better. Then, go MAKE one of those teams. Then you won't have to cry about how bad your coach is.
The ONLY place crying is allowed about horrible coaches is high school. There, you can not choose the coach like you can in travel ball. You have to take the coach you get - AND the coach has to take the players from a pool of available talent. But in summer everyone is a free agent, and the way I see it, the players easily have the upper hand.
This topic gets rehashed in one form or another every year, but some people continue to ignore reality. Don't shoot the messenger, either.
If you want to play against the top teams, you have to have the skill set to get on one of those teams. Don't kid yourself - at 14u and above, some of the best teams rarely practice as a team in summer. These kids just show up and compete.
So, how do these kids acquire the skills to have a shot at making one of these teams? They work hard INDIVIDUALLY over the winter. They don't expect a team coach to hold their hand and "develop" them into a stud. They figure out how to become good hitters, pitchers and fielders.
Don't blame a summer coach for being a bad coach! No one is holding your kid hostage! YOU chose the team. Don't get caught in the "trickle down" syndrome - practice and get better. Then, go MAKE one of those teams. Then you won't have to cry about how bad your coach is.
The ONLY place crying is allowed about horrible coaches is high school. There, you can not choose the coach like you can in travel ball. You have to take the coach you get - AND the coach has to take the players from a pool of available talent. But in summer everyone is a free agent, and the way I see it, the players easily have the upper hand.
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*wondering which team(s) this is referring to*
oh, nice one, Sammy, as usual!!!
well, I'll just take it from my experience. this weekend, saw, talked to or met around 4 different parents and coaches. What do all of them need? players..maybe it's that illustrious 11th/12th utility (why cant they all be female versions of Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox, minus the facial hair?--okay, depending on what part of ohio you are from, maybe facial hair, but anyways)
some are trying to fill spots because maybe their (insert position)basemen is really a (insert position) basemen but their third basemen stinks and until one is found, we play magical chair softball.
it is true that you take what shows up, or you dont play....
at this point, all teams are probably open for suggestions...there's some backstage prodding and speculating going on somewhere, but we wont hear about it until the great "why did you leave your team" threads that start around june 1st!
keepin it real, baby!
*wondering which team(s) this is referring to*
oh, nice one, Sammy, as usual!!!
well, I'll just take it from my experience. this weekend, saw, talked to or met around 4 different parents and coaches. What do all of them need? players..maybe it's that illustrious 11th/12th utility (why cant they all be female versions of Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox, minus the facial hair?--okay, depending on what part of ohio you are from, maybe facial hair, but anyways)
some are trying to fill spots because maybe their (insert position)basemen is really a (insert position) basemen but their third basemen stinks and until one is found, we play magical chair softball.
it is true that you take what shows up, or you dont play....
at this point, all teams are probably open for suggestions...there's some backstage prodding and speculating going on somewhere, but we wont hear about it until the great "why did you leave your team" threads that start around june 1st!
keepin it real, baby!
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wwolf is dead on,.....the same teams and coaches are always looking for players,....what is failed to be mentioned is that ALL teams and coaches are looking every year. What do ******* do,...about 7 to 9 tryouts in 5 cities all over the state. Every year they're still looking for the best players they can find. Are They developing players? Because everybody knows what ******** are about, many players wait to see if if they are one of the "chosen ones" to wear that uniform, meanwhile other organizations are holding tryouts, making offers to players that they may lose to **********. This will leave that team with voids that need to be filled.
Note: ******** and other highly competitive organizations have found a system that works for them and I have no quarrel with that at all. If you have a highly motivated and dedicated player in your dd, these are the organizations that your dd can thrive in. Every kid would love to on a team like ******* and every organization would like to be recognized like ************
It's pretty easy to list players who have been with as many organizations as they have years played. I know several. Can ALL the coaches be lousy. When I was in my early 20's and was griping to my dad about all my bad luck, he gave me some great advice. Go down the hall to the bathroom, close the door, stand in front of the sink, and look into the mirror. That's where you'll find out where all your troubles started and your the only person who can solve them.
Maybe some of the organizations are like Minor League Baseball. Develop a good player, they move up to the Bigs, and your looking for talent again.
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wwolf is dead on,.....the same teams and coaches are always looking for players,....what is failed to be mentioned is that ALL teams and coaches are looking every year. What do ******* do,...about 7 to 9 tryouts in 5 cities all over the state. Every year they're still looking for the best players they can find. Are They developing players? Because everybody knows what ******** are about, many players wait to see if if they are one of the "chosen ones" to wear that uniform, meanwhile other organizations are holding tryouts, making offers to players that they may lose to **********. This will leave that team with voids that need to be filled.
Note: ******** and other highly competitive organizations have found a system that works for them and I have no quarrel with that at all. If you have a highly motivated and dedicated player in your dd, these are the organizations that your dd can thrive in. Every kid would love to on a team like ******* and every organization would like to be recognized like ************
It's pretty easy to list players who have been with as many organizations as they have years played. I know several. Can ALL the coaches be lousy. When I was in my early 20's and was griping to my dad about all my bad luck, he gave me some great advice. Go down the hall to the bathroom, close the door, stand in front of the sink, and look into the mirror. That's where you'll find out where all your troubles started and your the only person who can solve them.
Maybe some of the organizations are like Minor League Baseball. Develop a good player, they move up to the Bigs, and your looking for talent again.
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Good post Sammy. Go to the camps and clincis and you see the same players. My dd's had made many friends at these camps that play for other teams. Sammy is right they are the better players, since they are learning from the best. I'm there as a coach because you always pick up something better to help you coach.
Good post Sammy. Go to the camps and clincis and you see the same players. My dd's had made many friends at these camps that play for other teams. Sammy is right they are the better players, since they are learning from the best. I'm there as a coach because you always pick up something better to help you coach.
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coming soon, Austin Powers in "************" where everytime ***** **** are mentioned, it's mentioned in caps...
anyways ......
i still think we need an ofc trade/free agent board. Lookin for a third basemen but have too many left fielders? trade with an org...whaddya say, you'll take my disgruntled 3rd pitcher for your catcher? sounds great....then we wouldn't have to beat around the bush
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coming soon, Austin Powers in "************" where everytime ***** **** are mentioned, it's mentioned in caps...
anyways
......i still think we need an ofc trade/free agent board. Lookin for a third basemen but have too many left fielders? trade with an org...whaddya say, you'll take my disgruntled 3rd pitcher for your catcher? sounds great....then we wouldn't have to beat around the bush
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Definalty a LOADED question...... Thunder said it best.. ALL coaches, and teams look every year. But players and parents look every year also....All sorts of reasons," Money" Location" Grass is greener theory, child not getting enough play time.. and on and on......I had a girl from try-outs commit to my 16u team said she wanted to play hear close to town and not travel a-lot, Great for me , then 2 weeks later she called and said she was going to another org. to be with her "buddies' Not good for me... I was ok with that until I found out this team will travel all over, Also found out it was her 5th org in 5 years JMHO I think the reason all teams and coaches are looking every year is that PLAYERS and PARENTS are looking every year also... makes it hard to build a team or develop players when they are jumping ship....
BTW statman I have a pitcher I can trade you for some cash and a player to be named later lol ;D ;D
Definalty a LOADED question...... Thunder said it best.. ALL coaches, and teams look every year. But players and parents look every year also....All sorts of reasons," Money" Location" Grass is greener theory, child not getting enough play time.. and on and on......I had a girl from try-outs commit to my 16u team said she wanted to play hear close to town and not travel a-lot, Great for me , then 2 weeks later she called and said she was going to another org. to be with her "buddies' Not good for me... I was ok with that until I found out this team will travel all over, Also found out it was her 5th org in 5 years
JMHO I think the reason all teams and coaches are looking every year is that PLAYERS and PARENTS are looking every year also... makes it hard to build a team or develop players when they are jumping ship....BTW statman I have a pitcher I can trade you for some cash and a player to be named later lol ;D ;D
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don't say that too loud, they'll be accusing me of coaching (a glorified statman am I) ; shenanigans!
don't say that too loud, they'll be accusing me of coaching (a glorified statman am I) ; shenanigans!
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Lets assume an organization takes the number of players at tryouts needed to fill and or upgrade your team......fall practice starts and one of the girls who verbally committed decides she prefers to play on a team the rest of her "friends" are playing on and is willing to accept perhaps playing for a less talented team in favor of the social atmosphere....sounds strange but true story......thus the team has one open position they would like to fill...now under the premise of bad coaches how does that card play.....sometimes things happen beyond the control of any coach...you roll with the punches and fill your void....very well could lower our standards and try to steal a player...we choose not to....we prefer to post and if a girl wants to play with us the opportunity is there...OFC has done a great job for softball in Ohio why not use it for what it is intended for?
Lets assume an organization takes the number of players at tryouts needed to fill and or upgrade your team......fall practice starts and one of the girls who verbally committed decides she prefers to play on a team the rest of her "friends" are playing on and is willing to accept perhaps playing for a less talented team in favor of the social atmosphere....sounds strange but true story......thus the team has one open position they would like to fill...now under the premise of bad coaches how does that card play.....sometimes things happen beyond the control of any coach...you roll with the punches and fill your void....very well could lower our standards and try to steal a player...we choose not to....we prefer to post and if a girl wants to play with us the opportunity is there...OFC has done a great job for softball in Ohio why not use it for what it is intended for?
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wwollf, that all depends on what your in travel ball for. Why sugarcoat everything on this site? Give me the best talent I can get.
wwollf, that all depends on what your in travel ball for. Why sugarcoat everything on this site? Give me the best talent I can get.
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statman.... In a year I'll be looking for a good 2nd/C and a scorekeeper... Let's get that board started...
statman.... In a year I'll be looking for a good 2nd/C and a scorekeeper... Let's get that board started...
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WOW, talk about a loaded question this one is a "Double Barrel".
Do kids move up in age each year?
Do kids decide to put more effort in another sport? Volleyball,soccer, basketball. etc...
Do kids get hurt?
Do parents decide to play closer to home?
We can go on and on forever, sure there can be "lousy coaches" just like there can be "lousy parents"
But this is travel ball and we want the best kids that we can find not just talent wise but also are they "coachable" will they take in what we are trying to teach them. We spend alot of time together playing, practicing, or whatever so I look for kids and parents that I hope can "Gel" together also.
There are just way too many variables to look at here. But I am looking for another pitcher. Any Takers?
WOW, talk about a loaded question this one is a "Double Barrel".
Do kids move up in age each year?
Do kids decide to put more effort in another sport? Volleyball,soccer, basketball. etc...
Do kids get hurt?
Do parents decide to play closer to home?
We can go on and on forever, sure there can be "lousy coaches" just like there can be "lousy parents"
But this is travel ball and we want the best kids that we can find not just talent wise but also are they "coachable" will they take in what we are trying to teach them. We spend alot of time together playing, practicing, or whatever so I look for kids and parents that I hope can "Gel" together also.
There are just way too many variables to look at here. But I am looking for another pitcher. Any Takers?
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I dont think developing players is a lost art. You can develope a player but to what point , knowing what to do and being able to do it are two different things. Hustle and attitude only go so far. Everyone knows you cant win without talent. Thats why teams like *********** go out every year and scout for it. If a player wants to be on a(winner) they are going to look for a team thats built to win. There are also a lot of other reasons to leave. A coach may have a style that doesnt suit a player or her family. Does that mean hes a bad coach or there a bad family? Maybe the goals dont match. When someone leaves you have to fill thier spot or pack it in then, you may have six more girls out looking for a place to play.
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I dont think developing players is a lost art. You can develope a player but to what point , knowing what to do and being able to do it are two different things. Hustle and attitude only go so far. Everyone knows you cant win without talent. Thats why teams like *********** go out every year and scout for it. If a player wants to be on a(winner) they are going to look for a team thats built to win. There are also a lot of other reasons to leave. A coach may have a style that doesnt suit a player or her family. Does that mean hes a bad coach or there a bad family? Maybe the goals dont match. When someone leaves you have to fill thier spot or pack it in then, you may have six more girls out looking for a place to play.
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Hey Valley I'll take one then you can look for two. ;D ;D
Hey Valley I'll take one then you can look for two. ;D ;D
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Poaching. We've been the Cleveland Indians to a couple of New York Yankee teams for a couple of years now. At least they respect our coaching abilities.
Poaching. We've been the Cleveland Indians to a couple of New York Yankee teams for a couple of years now. At least they respect our coaching abilities.
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