Passed Balls vs Wild Pitches

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I recently had a conversation with my daughter’s catching coach, who played baseball, and he said pitches in the dirt are wild pitches. Here’s the wild pitches so far this year in MLB.

Do softball rules on passed balls differ from baseball? I’m curious if the wild pitches shown in this tweet would be scored as passed balls in softball. It’s been my experience that in softball, a lot balls in the dirt or that are lunged for, are scored as passed balls (or worse, the runner gets awarded a stolen base if the ball happens to be blocked and a throw is made but the runner is safe advancing to the next base).

 

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Everyone of those with one possible exception was a wild pitch. The one that gave me pause was at 0:28-0:29. Looks like the catcher was crossed up. Pitch was not where it was supposed to be, but looked catchable from the crouch. C had a late reaction due to the cross-up and booted it up.

 

[flygirlsdad]

If the runner makes the attempt on the pitch they should be credited a steal regardless of a passed ball or wild pitch.

 

[RedsDad]

Just because the ball is in the dirt, does not make it a wild pitch in theory. Part of a catchers job is to block and control those errant pitches, and sometimes a pitcher is placing the ball there on purpose. I think the scorekeeper ruling of either “wild pitch” v. “passed ball” depends upon the judgement as to wether the pitch in the dirt was controllable, or could have been controlled with ordinary effort.

 

[Stedman00]

Depends on if the score keeper is parent of Pitcher or the Catcher.

 

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While no doubt a good catcher should be able to stop a lot of balls in the dirt, if it hits the dirt before it reaches the catcher, it is scored a wild pitch. And I’m a pitcher’s father! Lol

 

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Just because the ball is in the dirt, does not make it a wild pitch in theory. Part of a catchers job is to block and control those errant pitches, and sometimes a pitcher is placing the ball there on purpose. I think the scorekeeper ruling of either “wild pitch” v. “passed ball” depends upon the judgement as to wether the pitch in the dirt was controllable, or could have been controlled with ordinary effort.

In baseball, it’s “ordinary effort.” Take an infielder’s throw to first that is in the dirt and the runner is safe. You hope the first baseman can scoop the ball and the get the runner out, but it’s still a throwing error if first baseman can’t. That same logic is consistently used in baseball when a pitch is in dirt.

IMO, if something starts a chain reaction that allows the runner to advance safely to the next base, it may be better to measure what started the chain reaction rather than if a catcher should have controlled a pitch after it ricocheted off the dirt. But in the end, it’s the judgement of scorekeeping and how the head coach wants to track things.

 

[yocoach]

A wild pitch in softball is a pitch in which the catcher has to exert extraordinary effort. Basically this means, if the catcher has to move from her receiving stance, it is a wild pitch. If a pitch is in the dirt, it is a wild pitch since she should be dropping and blocking. If she has to stand up to try and receive it and misses it, it's a wild pitch. If she has to sidestep to receive it, it's a wild pitch.

If the catcher doesn't have to move but, say as an example, the ball tips off the top of her mitt and hits the backstop, then it's a passed ball.

 

[BretMan2]

Your answer lies within...

https://nfca.org/web_docs/store/ATECBeyondBasicsOfScoring.pdf

 

[RedsDad]

Your answer lies within...

https://nfca.org/web_docs/store/ATECBeyondBasicsOfScoring.pdf

I stand officially corrected. Thanks as always @BretMan2!

 

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It also should go without saying, that it's only a PB or WP if a runner advances a base because of it. So there either has to be a runner on base, or a batter who gets to 1B or even as far as 2B on a dropped/missed/wild strike 3. So it's possible for a pitcher to strike out a batter, but still end up with a wild pitch if the ball was in the dirt or over the catcher's head, etc., if the batter swung at it ... or I guess if the umpire was blind and called it one.

 

[softballpro]

I recently had a conversation with my daughter’s catching coach, who played baseball, and he said pitches in the dirt are wild pitches. Here’s the wild pitches so far this year in MLB.

Do softball rules on passed balls differ from baseball? I’m curious if the wild pitches shown in this tweet would be scored as passed balls in softball. It’s been my experience that in softball, a lot balls in the dirt or that are lunged for, are scored as passed balls (or worse, the runner gets awarded a stolen base if the ball happens to be blocked and a throw is made but the runner is safe advancing to the next base).

In softball rules, a passed ball occurs when the catcher fails to stop a pitch they should have handled, while a wild pitch is when the pitcher throws a ball that’s too difficult for the catcher to control. Both can result in base runners advancing, but the distinction lies in who is considered at fault.

 

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With the probable exception of one, each of those was a wild pitch. I stopped at the one between 0:28 and 0:29. It seemed like the catcher was confused. Pitch was not where it should have been, but from a crouch, it appeared catchable. C booted it up in a delayed reaction brought on by the cross-up.

 

[CameronHall]

Thank you so much for the link.

 

[JaxonParker]

I recently had a conversation with my daughter’s catching coach, who played baseball, and he said pitches in the dirt are wild pitches. Here’s the wild pitches so far this year in MLB.

Do softball rules on passed balls differ from baseball? I’m curious if the wild pitches shown in this tweet would be scored as passed balls in softball. It’s been my experience that in softball, a lot balls in the dirt or that are lunged for, are scored as passed balls (or worse, the runner gets awarded a stolen base if the ball happens to be blocked and a throw is made but the runner is safe advancing to the next base).










Yes, softball rules regarding passed balls and wild pitches differ from baseball. In baseball, a wild pitch is credited to the pitcher if it's difficult for the catcher to handle, while a passed ball is charged when the catcher fails to catch a pitch they should have. In softball, many pitches in the dirt or lunged for by the catcher may be scored as passed balls, which can lead to runners advancing and being awarded stolen bases.Thanks for the info.