Umps - Blown calls that have made you laugh, cry, scratch your head, or pop a gasket!

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More a question here than a statement. Runners on 1st and 2nd. Batter hits routine pop up and plate ump calls infield fly batter is out. So technically fielder does not have to even try to catch ball. Well 3rd baseman tries to catch ball and I don't know what happened but she completely missed it, did not even touch it. Ball lands about 3 ft passed 3rd base and 3 to 4 ft inside foul line

IFF still in force batter is out.

Ball lands about 3 ft passed 3rd base and 3 to 4 ft inside foul line but immediately shoots into foul territory and rolls clear to fence. Runners advance a base.

On IFF runners are allowed to advance at their own peril. Once the ball came into contact with the ground in fair territory, runners are on there own to advance.

The actual call that should be verbalize is "Infield Fly, batter is out if fair".

Cant judge what the umpire saw for the ruling, only can quote the actual rules.
 
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great reading some of the stories ...... thanks for posting!!

played at the lasers tournament this past weekend......... overall not too bad but had a couple rough calls, one particular strikezone was like pitching into a coffee can. One guy was not calling strikes between the letters and the waist.

The crew that was tough to deal with was on field two on Saturday. The game started with the base umpire questioning and bending the home plate umpire's ear over a call that he made. The guy behind the plate forgot the count on several occassions .... he's also one of the umps who calls the strike by lifting his arm ... only problem is that it seemed like the ball was already being thrown back to the pitcher before he would make the call.

I know this issue could lead to another list of contorversy and problems BUT; one pet peeve that continues to fire me up is when an umpire, who has a clear view of the play, does not make the call. If an ump knows there has been a blown call, fix it!! I do not understand how and why calls are made behind the play. I guess we can appeal every questionable call but, it would be nice if the right call was made.
 
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Runner is rounding 3d and heading for home the 3rd baseman runs into her but runner keeps running and get called out @ home. Blue calls out and walks towards 3rd saying ". I have obstruction on 3rd base however, in my opinion she would have been out @ home without it so she is out". Really!!!
 
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Runner is rounding 3d and heading for home the 3rd baseman runs into her but runner keeps running and get called out @ home. Blue calls out and walks towards 3rd saying ". I have obstruction on 3rd base however, in my opinion she would have been out @ home without it so she is out". Really!!!

I would have lost my mind on that one.
 
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I was always told that once an obstruction signal is given that the runner would get the next base if he/she attempted to get there. Worst case senario (if tagged out trying to advance) they would at least go back to the last base.

At ASA States in Defiance now ...... not too bad today as far as umps .... a few calls questionable.

One particular batter squared and offered her bat ..... the ball was past her bat when pulling back .... ump called balls on both attempts.

Can anyone tell me what an ump looks for when determining the difference between a slap and/or a bunt ........ today one of the girls looked like she squared and bunted foul on a third strike .... ump ruled it was a slap hit.
 
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We had a girl in Willoughby last weekend called out with two strikes. That certainly makes me scratch my head.
 
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The home book (our book) said 2 strikes but the ump said he had 3 so she's out! Not to mention, the 5 parents on our sideline who keep score on IScore and Gamechanger all had 2 strikes, and the other team got eerily quiet. No big deal really, our girls beat themselves that whole game, so it's not like it made any difference at all. I just kind of had to laugh.
 
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- To top it off...this batter DOES NOT have to touch first base before getting a sub. Since this was an awarded base, then a sub can immediately take the batter's place and assume the base award.

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And on the matter of awarded bases, is a home run a 4-base award? Is the batter actually REQUIRED to run the bases?

I ask for two reasons - my son is studying sports ethics this quarter, and the college case where the batter injured her leg on the way to first after hitting a home run, and was assisted by the defensive team, as come up for discussion.

We also periodically see in threads where a batter will be called out on a home run for an infraction such as high-fiving the base coaches as she rounds the bases.

If it is an award, then logically the way that the batter proceeds around the bases would not seem to change the outcome of the award. But if there are still "in-play" rules I would like to better understand them.
 
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And on the matter of awarded bases, is a home run a 4-base award? Is the batter actually REQUIRED to run the bases?

I ask for two reasons - my son is studying sports ethics this quarter, and the college case where the batter injured her leg on the way to first after hitting a home run, and was assisted by the defensive team, as come up for discussion.

We also periodically see in threads where a batter will be called out on a home run for an infraction such as high-fiving the base coaches as she rounds the bases.

If it is an award, then logically the way that the batter proceeds around the bases would not seem to change the outcome of the award. But if there are still "in-play" rules I would like to better understand them.

The story from a few years ago about the player being carried around the bases...while it made for a nice "feel good" sports moment, what doesn't get mentioned is that the umpires blew this one. The injured batter could of had a sub complete her base award. The team's coach was told- incorrectly- that the batter had to touch all the bases or else be called out. That was wrong, but the end result sure did make for a good story!

Runners should never be getting called out for a congratulatory slap or handshake while running out a home run. For one, the rule is that a coach cannot ASSIST a runner and a high five in no way is "assisting" a runner. Besides that, most rule sets say that assisting a runner is a LIVE BALL infraction. On a home run, the ball is obviously dead.

It's just one of those long-held rule myths that ANY contact between a runner and a coach is an automatic out. That simply isn't the case.

Finally, on running out awarded bases...the rule book says that all bases must be legally run, including all awarded bases. It also says that if the runner become incapacitated, a substitute may complete her base running award.
 
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I saw a first time violation this past weekend. The homeplate ump called a lane violation on the pitcher (this is 14u) though there were no clearly drawn lines and the pitcher had not deviated from her previous pitches, indicated by the marks on the mound. There were no footprints outside where both pitchers had been landing and dragging. I have seen this called at the college level but not at the 12, 13, or 14u level. This took place this weekend at Rumpke Park during a pool play game. Has anyone else seen this called?
 
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My DD was called for it way back when she was 10. Crazy thing was I commented about it while catching her previous pitching lesson. She hasn't done it again since.

The pitching lane is the width of the pitching plate, so lines are not necessary. College ball added the lines just a few years ago in an attempt to enforce the rule better.

It only applies to where the non-pivot foot lands. Pitchers can drag outside the lane.
 
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Whether the pitcher's stride foot actually was outside the width of the 24" pitching plate...beats me. That's totally a judgment call for the person actually watching the play. But this is an actual rule.

I would hope that there weren't lines on the field for this! Such lines are official field markings only in NCAA ball and no level below that should have them.

As noted, this rule applies to the stride foot and where it steps and lands, not the pivot/drag foot. The rule is that the foot cannot land ENTIRELY outside this line. If the foot lands ON the line, or is in any way touching it- even just a tiny fraction while the rest of the foot is outside of it- then the pitcher is legal.

If it's "close" then the umpire should give the benefit of the doubt to the pitcher. This should only be called if you're CERTAIN the pitcher is outside the lane. If it isn't obvious...don't guess!
 
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Had an umpire call this on my HS pitcher this Spring. First time I have seen it called in all of my 15+ years of coaching. Told him if he was going to call it he better put lines down because if she is not completely outside the 24" she is legal!!! I just felt this umpire was trying to "show off" a little, which I adamantly made him aware of and he never called it again after that.

My biggest beef with having this enforced/called at HS or at any level other than college is just what Bretman posted..no line requirements. I just don't see how an umpire can call this without lines. Further still...why have the rule if you are not going to require the lines!!! It's no different then calling stepping out of the batters box, but never requiring a batters box to be drawn!!

When getting my umpires license back 10 years ago they told us you can not make a call if you don't see it. Not having lines leaves it to the discretion of the umpire, which if you can't be 100% sure...you should not make that call. JMHO
 
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Even if there are nice pretty white lines drawn out, as in college ball, they're obliterated and fairly useless after about one inning.

I've seen this with other rules...pitching violations, including this one, have been a pre-season point of emphasis in recent years. That kind of gets the umpires looking for it. Some guys just get way too eager to show off their "shiny new rule"!
 
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Runner on second, slapper at the plate. Nice slap. Hit to third, Good Pick-up, Good Throw, Runner out at 1st by a stride, Field umpire doesn't make a clean call because the play at third gabs his attention. Throw to third, tag and room full of dust. Runner safe. Umpire had two calls in just a few seconds. Called time to fix the base and reset. The first base coach sends the batter at first to the dugout, she is stopped by the score keeper before she leaves the field and sent back to first to get it all sorted out. The field umpire clarifies that the both the batter and the runner are safe. The umpires have a conference, The plate umpire then calls the batter out for leaving the base. He comes over to get a water and says under his breath, 'I don't know what game he was watching but the batter was out by 6', lets play ball'.

It took them awhile to get there but they finally got the call right. A difficult situation was well handled and they got to the right answer without anyone going crazy. The plate umpire had to stretch the rules but everyone knew it was the right thing to do. Play ball! (By the way we were the batting team)
 
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Runner on second, slapper at the plate. Nice slap. Hit to third, Good Pick-up, Good Throw, Runner out at 1st by a stride, Field umpire doesn't make a clean call because the play at third gabs his attention. Throw to third, tag and room full of dust. Runner safe. Umpire had two calls in just a few seconds.

On an infield ground ball, the basic procedure is for the base umpire to have the first play at first base, then the plate umpire has the second play at third base. The base umpire really should of had only one play to concentrate on here.

But, even when you do have two rapid calls to make...

I never could understand how an umpire could make such a meek, feeble or ambiguous call and signal that the players and coaches didn't know what he called. "Out" and "safe" are so basic, and so different from each other, that if properly executed there should NEVER be any question what the umpire was calling. This just goes back to "Umpiring 101"- basic execution of simple signals.

The umpires have a conference, The plate umpire then calls the batter out for leaving the base. He comes over to get a water and says under his breath, 'I don't know what game he was watching but the batter was out by 6', lets play ball'.

With partners like this...who needs coaches! :rolleyes:

One of the most basic premises of umpiring is that when you're out there with a partner, you are a team. Openly criticizing your partner is perhaps the most unprofessional behavior an umpire can exhibit. We have a name for this...throwing your partner under the bus.

Now on the next close play...the base umpire's credibilty has been totally undermined (which is to say, the umpiring team's credibility has been undermined). You're just setting yourself up to have your calls questioned by the coaches, because you have already planted the seed of doubt in their minds that these umpires aren't credible.

There's enough ways that trouble can find you on the field that you don't really need to be creating your own problems! This is simple game management- this umpire's open criticism of his partner can snowball and create more arguments, more questioning of calls and a loss of control of the game.

By the way...the plate umpire who was so critical of his partner...he just invented an imaginary rule by calling the runner out for "leaving the base". She would only be out if she left the base AND entered the dugout/deadball territory. Inventing imaginary rules is just as bad as throwing your partner under the bus!

What should of happened here is that the plate umpire could have told the base umpire what he saw on the play. But it is NOT the plate umpire's call. The call was made by the base umpire, it was his call to make, and he is the only one who can change it.

Maybe if the plate umpire just talked to the base umpire to hash that out, instead of trashing his credibility and making up rules they could have reached the right call in a more dignified manner, one that wouldn't put them on the road to even bigger game management problems!
 
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Runner on second, slapper at the plate. Nice slap. Hit to third, Good Pick-up, Good Throw, Runner out at 1st by a stride, Field umpire doesn't make a clean call because the play at third gabs his attention. Throw to third, tag and room full of dust. Runner safe. Umpire had two calls in just a few seconds. Called time to fix the base and reset. The first base coach sends the batter at first to the dugout, she is stopped by the score keeper before she leaves the field and sent back to first to get it all sorted out. ...

By the way...the plate umpire who was so critical of his partner...he just invented an imaginary rule by calling the runner out for "leaving the base". She would only be out if she left the base AND entered the dugout/deadball territory. Inventing imaginary rules is just as bad as throwing your partner under the bus!

Wouldn't it be a legitimate Look Back Rule call if the runner left the base while the pitcher had the ball in the circle and before time was called?

I've seen 2 unusual LBR calls this season.

1. Runner dives back to 1B on pick-off play and afterward coach hears BU tell runner "You should call time before doing that." Coach talks to umpire and finds out runner was tidying up off the base. Further discussions lead to runner being called out.

2. Team playing with only 9 players and 1 coach at ASA SoCal State 16u. Leadoff batter is retired and stays on field to coach 1B. Next batter, the catcher, reaches base safely and girls decide to switch places in a mistaken attempt at a courtesy runner. Everyone, including umpires, are surprised by their actions and then PU calls runner out.
 
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Wouldn't it be a legitimate Look Back Rule call if the runner left the base while the pitcher had the ball in the circle and before time was called?

I've seen 2 unusual LBR calls this season.

1. Runner dives back to 1B on pick-off play and afterward coach hears BU tell runner "You should call time before doing that." Coach talks to umpire and finds out runner was tidying up off the base. Further discussions lead to runner being called out.

2. Team playing with only 9 players and 1 coach at ASA SoCal State 16u. Leadoff batter is retired and stays on field to coach 1B. Next batter, the catcher, reaches base safely and girls decide to switch places in a mistaken attempt at a courtesy runner. Everyone, including umpires, are surprised by their actions and then PU calls runner out.

Technically legitimate, even though this really isn't the sort of situation that the Look Back Rule was designed to address. The rule is there to prevent game delays by having runners dance around off the base, taunting the pitcher to make a throw.

Before the LBR was put into place, this could get ridiculous. The runner would just stand there and the pitcher would just stand there, both staring at each other just daring the other to make a move. The pitcher might flinch to fake a throw, the runner would head back toward a base, the pitcher would drop her arm, then the runner would start dancing around again. Tremendous waste of effort and game time!

If a runner temporarily loses contact with a base to brush it off or adjust her feet, but isn't going anywhere or delaying the game, you really hate to ring her up- that isn't the spirit or intent of the rule. But your hands are kind of tied. Technically, this is a rule violation and you're bound to call it.

Unless...maybe they didn't notice that you called time right before it happened...or maybe you didn't happen to see it! ;&
 
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My 11 year old DD just started playing softball (after many years of being the anti-sport child). A girl on her rec team had a foot in the batters box and a foot out with her hand up, measuring up her bat at the plate. The ump gave the go ahead to pitch. The girl in that was lining up her bat literally missed getting nailed in the face by about 2 inches. The ump said, "I am in charge and I don't have to grant your time." I realize he has the say in whether or not to grant time for her to line up but why in heavens name would you put an 11 year old girl at risk for what could have been a very serious injury?? I don't understand umps that have to prove that they are the boss....ridiculous!
 
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