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I know the rules for metal cleats changed for High School but did they for travel ball?
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Only HS, and my personal opinion is that law suits will soon follow from injuries. . .
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Please!!!
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Absolutely. ?They are GIRLS for crying out loud. ?
You certainly can't expect them to be able to handle themselves as well as BOYS do!
Boys start wearing metal cleats at age 13 and have for over 40 years. ?
I heard about a friend of my second couson's friend who knows a guy who is confined to a wheelchair as the result of Ty Cobb's son sliding into him with his razor sharp metal cleats and severing both Achillies tendons, and totally destroying his ACL's and MCL's in both knees and severing his spine at L5. ?No kidding.
I understand that it is also a new rule that Orthopedic and Reconstructive surgeons be on hand in BOTH Dugouts at the high school games this spring. ?The hospitals are all gearing up and purchasing new Helicopters with School Mascots painted on them to evacuate the injured players. ?Varsity coaches are keeping 25 players on their roster in hopes that they will have enough healthy players to actually finish both games of their Saturday Double Headers.
Community Blood centers all over the country have establshed donor pools for your "Designated High School Softball Team" in anticipation of the overwhelming need for fresh units of blood to support the vast increase in surgeries that have been forecast.
Don't any of you remember this when boys went from wearing Converse All Stars to those dastardly Steel Sabres mounted on the soles of their shoes?? ?Don't tell me that's just an Urban Legend?
Oh well, even if it was.... ? Those were BOYS..... ? We're talkiing about GIRLS.... ? Never mind ? :
You certainly can't expect them to be able to handle themselves as well as BOYS do!
Boys start wearing metal cleats at age 13 and have for over 40 years. ?
I heard about a friend of my second couson's friend who knows a guy who is confined to a wheelchair as the result of Ty Cobb's son sliding into him with his razor sharp metal cleats and severing both Achillies tendons, and totally destroying his ACL's and MCL's in both knees and severing his spine at L5. ?No kidding.
I understand that it is also a new rule that Orthopedic and Reconstructive surgeons be on hand in BOTH Dugouts at the high school games this spring. ?The hospitals are all gearing up and purchasing new Helicopters with School Mascots painted on them to evacuate the injured players. ?Varsity coaches are keeping 25 players on their roster in hopes that they will have enough healthy players to actually finish both games of their Saturday Double Headers.
Community Blood centers all over the country have establshed donor pools for your "Designated High School Softball Team" in anticipation of the overwhelming need for fresh units of blood to support the vast increase in surgeries that have been forecast.
Don't any of you remember this when boys went from wearing Converse All Stars to those dastardly Steel Sabres mounted on the soles of their shoes?? ?Don't tell me that's just an Urban Legend?
Oh well, even if it was.... ? Those were BOYS..... ? We're talkiing about GIRLS.... ? Never mind ? :
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a little sarcasm goes a long way ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Thats Funny!!!
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:-/ Can we not see my heavy scarcasm in my statement of a lawsuit. Me thinks everyone the humor is lost :'(
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feistymom said:
Why would you think that their will be lawsuits because of steel cleats???
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OK, so can travel wear metal cleats or not?
I prefer NOT.... But just wanting to know if this is only for H.S?
Thanks
I prefer NOT.... But just wanting to know if this is only for H.S?
Thanks
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That is all I asked in the first place ....yes or no? :-/
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This is just high school change for now but the governing bodies will soon start to switch over. The Shoe companes are dictating to the rest of us and that is why I believe they ar makig the changes
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LADY_KNIGHTS said:[quote author=feistymom link=1206055467/0#7 date=1206144102]
Why would you think that their will be lawsuits because of steel cleats???
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I was being very sarcatic because if by chance someone was to require stiches from the use of them, I am certain that our sue happy society would jump on it like a hot potato. Look at some of the situations/scenarios that have occured and the lawsuites that have ensued. My statement was done so as a flippent way stating the obvious of any possible injuries from the use in High School.
Again, just my weird since of humor.
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Metal are not allowed in the 2008 season for ASA softball. It would have to be changed by the ASA council for them to be allowed in the years to come. I dought it will change in the years to come. The ASA site say's that metal spikes are allowed in NFHS. However I would check with your local high school coach in case Ohio has a special rule not allowing metal spikes.
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Paul R. Drake III Ohio ASA Umpire in Chief
This is the e-mail i recieved when i asked Warren Jones The Head ASA guy in ohio
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Paul R. Drake III Ohio ASA Umpire in Chief
This is the e-mail i recieved when i asked Warren Jones The Head ASA guy in ohio
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Thanks for that info Paul.... I think that cleared up alot!
Nothing like good solid information....
Nothing like good solid information....
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OHSAA has already adopted the NFHS rule allowing Metal Cleats for High School Softball.
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dd is adjusting to hers very well.
She is a pitcher
She is a pitcher
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I copied below a reply posted the other day regarding Steel Spikes, honestly as stated, I believe it would have made MORE sense if ASA had allowed spikes into the "A" divisions of 16u and older before HS softball did, now that HS has adopted the metal spikes, I would think ASA may do so in the near future, kinda funny and backwards in a way, ASA adopted 43' pitching in 18u before HS, a move to a large degree to protect players from injury, and NFHS has not yet adopted it, instead they adopted the introduction of metal spikes, a move which (factually that is), will contribute more in numbers and severity of injuries to players. It may play out that ASA will give the HS's a couple years of play to develop more data before jumping in.
First and foremost, I cannot imagine anyone that is active on this forum and as obviously involved with Womens Fastpitch Softball offering that our girls are not exeptional atheletes, and I have yet to see a post that has indicated a concern over the reintroduction of metal spikes based upon they don't believe girls are athletes. So any bashing of any individual over their opinion that metal spikes will cause additional injuries, and therfore they are saying that girls are not athletes is simply ignorant. There is an important skeltal-muscular difference between men and women, that doesn't mean they are less an athlete than a guy, it simply means there is a difference!
The question of whether more severe and frequent injuries will occur with the use of metal spikes in HS softball is a no brainer, YES of course there will be more injuries and more severe injuries, and YES there will be a higher incidence than in male athletes using metal spikes, please consider the following.
1. It is a fact that metal spikes will provide more traction, improved gripping of turf and infield surfaces, and the ability to cut sharper angles, it will allow pitchers to push off harder, all good things, but inherently the very reason for more injuries. With this improved grip and traction will come additional injuries from that grip and traction. Will there be a difference between injuries in baseball and injuries in softball? Don't take my word for it.......
"The Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery" 2003
"Gender Differences in Muscular Protection of the Knee in Torsion in Size Matched Athletes"
Background: Female athletes who participate in sports involving jumping and cutting maneuvers are up to eight times more likely to sustain a rupture of the anterior cruciate ligament than are men participating in the same sports. We tested the hypothesis that healthy young women are able to volitionally increase the apparent torsional stiffness of the knee, by maximally activating the knee muscles, significantly less than are size-matched men participating in the same type of sport.
Conclusions: The collegiate female athletes involved in high-risk sports exhibited less muscular protection of the knee ligaments during external loading of the knee than did size and sport-matched male athletes.
Clinical Relevance: Improving active muscle protection of the knee during training and rehabilitation might help to decrease rates of knee injury.
I don't believe it would be a stretch to futher hypothesize that any equipment that would cause greater stress and torsion in the knee joint would further increase incidence of this type of injury.
2. The American Council of Pediatric Sport Medicine, recommends that young athletes when first wearing molded spikes be introduced to them and the differences in grip and footing, citing a moderately high incidence of lower leg injuries reported in novice players. It would follow that we can expect a higher than normal incidence of injuries, not caused by poor technique or mechanics but simply by not being used to the different performance of metal spikes over molded spikes. Of course one woud expect this to reduce with time, but remember our best players will switch back to molded spikes this summer.
3. Not much has been mentioned here regarding the fact that there will be a number of stitches used to close spike wounds during this HS season, although I have seen it improve in recent years, the ignorant practice of teaching girls to block bases and take tag throws on top of the base with the introduction of metal spikes will take the contusions and scrapes caused by molded spikes and convert them to punture wounds and slashes. Hopefully the introduction of metal spikes will cause these "blood and guts" old baseball dads/coaches to review what they are teaching, for my part we have been teaching for many years our girls to take a corner of the bag, swipe a tag, get out of there, and look for your next play, whenever possible, I think most would agree, with the change in the obstruction rules and the time we spend developing players, having players injured in this way is a waste, unfortunately girls instructed to "block the base" are going to be playing HS ball.......nuff said!
In closing I must pose a further question, in terms of "risk and reward", yes the dedicated player that intends on playing in college will at that time play in metal spikes, doesn't it make more sense that metal spikes be introduced to "A" level summer teams rather than HS teams in many cases made up of more players that are not serious about playing in college, and in some case made up of players that take their glove out in January put it away in June or July and don't think about playing the game again. My ultimate question is......does the performance enhancement and introduction of metal spikes to a minority of players that are dedicated and accomplished enough to benefit from it justify the clear evidence that there will be a higher incidence of injury with the introduction, and how many years will our girls live on the "bleeding edge" of this advance, and given the serendipitous nature of the NFHS and our own OHSAA, will these injuries be useless if metal spikes are outlawed in a year or two, which is entirely possible as the data mounts, who knows, but I guess most anyone can see where I clearly stand.
Great discussion and an example of what makes this forum so valuable.
First and foremost, I cannot imagine anyone that is active on this forum and as obviously involved with Womens Fastpitch Softball offering that our girls are not exeptional atheletes, and I have yet to see a post that has indicated a concern over the reintroduction of metal spikes based upon they don't believe girls are athletes. So any bashing of any individual over their opinion that metal spikes will cause additional injuries, and therfore they are saying that girls are not athletes is simply ignorant. There is an important skeltal-muscular difference between men and women, that doesn't mean they are less an athlete than a guy, it simply means there is a difference!
The question of whether more severe and frequent injuries will occur with the use of metal spikes in HS softball is a no brainer, YES of course there will be more injuries and more severe injuries, and YES there will be a higher incidence than in male athletes using metal spikes, please consider the following.
1. It is a fact that metal spikes will provide more traction, improved gripping of turf and infield surfaces, and the ability to cut sharper angles, it will allow pitchers to push off harder, all good things, but inherently the very reason for more injuries. With this improved grip and traction will come additional injuries from that grip and traction. Will there be a difference between injuries in baseball and injuries in softball? Don't take my word for it.......
"The Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery" 2003
"Gender Differences in Muscular Protection of the Knee in Torsion in Size Matched Athletes"
Background: Female athletes who participate in sports involving jumping and cutting maneuvers are up to eight times more likely to sustain a rupture of the anterior cruciate ligament than are men participating in the same sports. We tested the hypothesis that healthy young women are able to volitionally increase the apparent torsional stiffness of the knee, by maximally activating the knee muscles, significantly less than are size-matched men participating in the same type of sport.
Conclusions: The collegiate female athletes involved in high-risk sports exhibited less muscular protection of the knee ligaments during external loading of the knee than did size and sport-matched male athletes.
Clinical Relevance: Improving active muscle protection of the knee during training and rehabilitation might help to decrease rates of knee injury.
I don't believe it would be a stretch to futher hypothesize that any equipment that would cause greater stress and torsion in the knee joint would further increase incidence of this type of injury.
2. The American Council of Pediatric Sport Medicine, recommends that young athletes when first wearing molded spikes be introduced to them and the differences in grip and footing, citing a moderately high incidence of lower leg injuries reported in novice players. It would follow that we can expect a higher than normal incidence of injuries, not caused by poor technique or mechanics but simply by not being used to the different performance of metal spikes over molded spikes. Of course one woud expect this to reduce with time, but remember our best players will switch back to molded spikes this summer.
3. Not much has been mentioned here regarding the fact that there will be a number of stitches used to close spike wounds during this HS season, although I have seen it improve in recent years, the ignorant practice of teaching girls to block bases and take tag throws on top of the base with the introduction of metal spikes will take the contusions and scrapes caused by molded spikes and convert them to punture wounds and slashes. Hopefully the introduction of metal spikes will cause these "blood and guts" old baseball dads/coaches to review what they are teaching, for my part we have been teaching for many years our girls to take a corner of the bag, swipe a tag, get out of there, and look for your next play, whenever possible, I think most would agree, with the change in the obstruction rules and the time we spend developing players, having players injured in this way is a waste, unfortunately girls instructed to "block the base" are going to be playing HS ball.......nuff said!
In closing I must pose a further question, in terms of "risk and reward", yes the dedicated player that intends on playing in college will at that time play in metal spikes, doesn't it make more sense that metal spikes be introduced to "A" level summer teams rather than HS teams in many cases made up of more players that are not serious about playing in college, and in some case made up of players that take their glove out in January put it away in June or July and don't think about playing the game again. My ultimate question is......does the performance enhancement and introduction of metal spikes to a minority of players that are dedicated and accomplished enough to benefit from it justify the clear evidence that there will be a higher incidence of injury with the introduction, and how many years will our girls live on the "bleeding edge" of this advance, and given the serendipitous nature of the NFHS and our own OHSAA, will these injuries be useless if metal spikes are outlawed in a year or two, which is entirely possible as the data mounts, who knows, but I guess most anyone can see where I clearly stand.
Great discussion and an example of what makes this forum so valuable.
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wow
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Double wow!
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Thought about this one......thinking back 100 years when I played HS ball and can't remember ever having a serious injury to me or any teammates from metal cleats....not saying it couldn't happen but can't remember it happening.....course may be so old I have repressed that part of the memory!!!
