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So you are trying to say Hamilton County is the only county that is part of the Cincy Metro? Clermont County has always been part of the Cincy Metro.
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Here is some "guidance" from the ASA Code:
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I also noticed that Cleveland is no longer recognized as a Metro.
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Quakeman,
Thank you for posting the code, the adjoining county issue of that part of the code changed several years ago, so any team that has a simple majority of their players from any county contiguous to Hamilton County, can register with the ASA Cincinnati Metro, and participate in the local association tournament as ASA Code allows.
To others,
I apologize in advance if my explanation seems perhaps to direct and factual, I too am tired of all of this, and the misinformation that has become so prevalent on this site.
ASA Code also dictates that qualifying play must take place in the Association Territory or within the region of that territory, this is why when Cincinnati Metro was part of Region 10 she could hold her Metro Tnmt at Rivershore, which is located in ASA State of Kentucky Association.
With the change in Regions, none of the Region 9 or Cincinnati Metro Championship Play would have been allowed to play in Kentucky.
It is bad news that Cleveland Metro Association has been disbanded, with 201 registrations it created another berth for Ohio teams, not certain if I was told the correct history but I have been told in the recent past that Cleveland either handed the berth to an association team or because they had no teams that wanted to attend an ASA/USA Championship they passed it along to the State Association.
Dayton Metro has failed for at least 2 years to register enough teams to be awarded their own berth, so the only berths that they could have been awarding to teams had to be from Region 9, which by code had to be either an "open" qualifier or a Region 9 qualifier.
To anyone from the R9 that wants to complain about Cincinnati Metro keeping their berths for the teams registered there, I understand your frustration in trying to figure out how State of Ohio Association registered teams can qualify, quite honestly I have been in the trenches of qualifying for ASA Fastpitch Nationals for over 30 years, and the process in the ASA State of Ohio befuddles me, quite honestly why does it matter, since 2004 when they changed the allocation of berths and it would seem you had at least 7 berths available each year between, Region 9, State of Ohio, Cleveland Metro, and Dayton Metro, the teams eligible for the berths have used the 7 berths a GRAND TOTAL of THREE times, the only age groups to use all their berths were the 18?s in ?05 & ?07, and the 16?s in ?08.
It?s interesting that in the 10u age group that has created such outrage with Cincinnati Metro keeping the berths for teams registered in Cincinnati Metro, since 2004 an average of 5.5 berths have gone unused each year, the breakdown since 2004 for the other age groups is 18u-1.5, 16u-2.33, 14u-2.83, and 12u-5.4.
In 2009 Region 9 and the State of Ohio and Cleveland Metro did NOT use a grand total of 17 berths of the 35 available 18u to 10u, no single age group used all their berths, and 10u used a grand total of TWO!!!
I guess what I am saying is, when you start filling the berths every year or at least every few years it doesn?t really make sense for anyone from the Associations mentioned above to complain about how any other Association allocates their berths, 20 teams from
Cleveland Metro, State of Ohio ASA, and Dayton Metro attended a USA/ASA Championship in 2009, 2 of those teams earned their berths at the previous years Eastern Nationals.
Tell me again why any of you are complaining about Cincinnati Metro and their berths, particularly at 10u???
Thank you for posting the code, the adjoining county issue of that part of the code changed several years ago, so any team that has a simple majority of their players from any county contiguous to Hamilton County, can register with the ASA Cincinnati Metro, and participate in the local association tournament as ASA Code allows.
To others,
I apologize in advance if my explanation seems perhaps to direct and factual, I too am tired of all of this, and the misinformation that has become so prevalent on this site.
ASA Code also dictates that qualifying play must take place in the Association Territory or within the region of that territory, this is why when Cincinnati Metro was part of Region 10 she could hold her Metro Tnmt at Rivershore, which is located in ASA State of Kentucky Association.
With the change in Regions, none of the Region 9 or Cincinnati Metro Championship Play would have been allowed to play in Kentucky.
It is bad news that Cleveland Metro Association has been disbanded, with 201 registrations it created another berth for Ohio teams, not certain if I was told the correct history but I have been told in the recent past that Cleveland either handed the berth to an association team or because they had no teams that wanted to attend an ASA/USA Championship they passed it along to the State Association.
Dayton Metro has failed for at least 2 years to register enough teams to be awarded their own berth, so the only berths that they could have been awarding to teams had to be from Region 9, which by code had to be either an "open" qualifier or a Region 9 qualifier.
To anyone from the R9 that wants to complain about Cincinnati Metro keeping their berths for the teams registered there, I understand your frustration in trying to figure out how State of Ohio Association registered teams can qualify, quite honestly I have been in the trenches of qualifying for ASA Fastpitch Nationals for over 30 years, and the process in the ASA State of Ohio befuddles me, quite honestly why does it matter, since 2004 when they changed the allocation of berths and it would seem you had at least 7 berths available each year between, Region 9, State of Ohio, Cleveland Metro, and Dayton Metro, the teams eligible for the berths have used the 7 berths a GRAND TOTAL of THREE times, the only age groups to use all their berths were the 18?s in ?05 & ?07, and the 16?s in ?08.
It?s interesting that in the 10u age group that has created such outrage with Cincinnati Metro keeping the berths for teams registered in Cincinnati Metro, since 2004 an average of 5.5 berths have gone unused each year, the breakdown since 2004 for the other age groups is 18u-1.5, 16u-2.33, 14u-2.83, and 12u-5.4.
In 2009 Region 9 and the State of Ohio and Cleveland Metro did NOT use a grand total of 17 berths of the 35 available 18u to 10u, no single age group used all their berths, and 10u used a grand total of TWO!!!
I guess what I am saying is, when you start filling the berths every year or at least every few years it doesn?t really make sense for anyone from the Associations mentioned above to complain about how any other Association allocates their berths, 20 teams from
Cleveland Metro, State of Ohio ASA, and Dayton Metro attended a USA/ASA Championship in 2009, 2 of those teams earned their berths at the previous years Eastern Nationals.
Tell me again why any of you are complaining about Cincinnati Metro and their berths, particularly at 10u???
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Sigh . . . .
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I agree CGS!!
The facts are depressing aren't they?
The really good news for you is that in the history of Region 9, there has always been a 14u berth available to ASA/USA Nationals, there were 4 unused 14u berths in 2009 and 5 in 2008, so I am pretty sure your goal of attending a ASA/USA National is well within reach, just make sure you let whoever controls the berths know you want to go.
The facts are depressing aren't they?
The really good news for you is that in the history of Region 9, there has always been a 14u berth available to ASA/USA Nationals, there were 4 unused 14u berths in 2009 and 5 in 2008, so I am pretty sure your goal of attending a ASA/USA National is well within reach, just make sure you let whoever controls the berths know you want to go.
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Personally, I would think that any team would want to go to the ASA/USA Nationals. It's the top shelf of ALL tournaments. Obviously, many times it is not held in what I would call "Vacation Spots"... but it is what it is.... the top tournament in the Nation.
I would think that would be the goal of many teams actually. Being one of the best in the Nation. By getting a taste of the excitement at a young age... I would think a girl would want to get a taste of it again at an older age.
I would think that would be the goal of many teams actually. Being one of the best in the Nation. By getting a taste of the excitement at a young age... I would think a girl would want to get a taste of it again at an older age.
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How many teams would Dayton have to register to have its own metro....... and would it have counties or a county out side Montgomery county the way Cinci has what ever it has.
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The way the code reads is that any Association registering 201 team or more gets a berth for every age "A" group 18u to 10u.
The Dayton Metro already exists, they could hold a metro any time they want without the berths it would be pointless, although Cincinnati was holding Metros as long ago as 1998, at that time the winner got a berth to the Region 10 Tournament which awarded 2 berths, but that was then.
I am not certain what the geographic area is that makes up Dayton Metro, I know a number of years ago we played in an "open" qualifier in Fairborn which was hosted by Dayton Metro.
The code wasn't written specifically for Cincinnati, so of course it would apply, the neighboring counties contiguous to the Dayton metro would be able to chose who they want to register with.
More than likely any growth in Dayton, unless it is new teams that did not register previously with State of Ohio or Metro Cincinnati, would simply be robbing peter to pay paul, and may affect either of those entities and their total number of registrations.
The Dayton Metro already exists, they could hold a metro any time they want without the berths it would be pointless, although Cincinnati was holding Metros as long ago as 1998, at that time the winner got a berth to the Region 10 Tournament which awarded 2 berths, but that was then.
I am not certain what the geographic area is that makes up Dayton Metro, I know a number of years ago we played in an "open" qualifier in Fairborn which was hosted by Dayton Metro.
The code wasn't written specifically for Cincinnati, so of course it would apply, the neighboring counties contiguous to the Dayton metro would be able to chose who they want to register with.
More than likely any growth in Dayton, unless it is new teams that did not register previously with State of Ohio or Metro Cincinnati, would simply be robbing peter to pay paul, and may affect either of those entities and their total number of registrations.
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Thanks John, you understood what I was getting at. That would have been a real treat to find out now, after a teams/orgs schedule has been finalized on how/where an ASA NQ would be attended.
Maybe you can hookup with Tim, as I bet a few coaches were a bit concerned with the comments documented earlier. ^_^!
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The ASA could do a better job of making the ASA Code more "reader friendly". Just trying to figure out USA/ASA berths and which tournaments they are earned at and how many berths each Region or Local Association has can give someone quite a headache. But the information is in there, you just have to mine to out.
What really boggles my mind is how many coaches do not even know about the ASA Code. They just cite what someone else has told them and after a while, it is taken as fact. Then they get upset when they learn the real facts.
Read, Read, Read!!!
What really boggles my mind is how many coaches do not even know about the ASA Code
. They just cite what someone else has told them and after a while, it is taken as fact. Then they get upset when they learn the real facts.Read, Read, Read!!!
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wv,
Well said!
Unfortunately much of the misinformation has come from State of Ohio ASA and their numerous associate commissioners, and as such has come down written in stone.
Maybe we should start a thread here titled:
ASA Nationals Qualification 101
And only opinions backed up by reference to ASA Code sections would be allowed.
I would ask at this point does anyone really know when and where events will be held that account for all of the following berths that are available in Region 9, in every age group, maybe someone could compile a list.
Region 9 Qualifiers - 2 berths - Open to R9 teams ONLY
Region 9 "Open" Qualifier - 1 berth - Open to ANY registered ASA team from anywhere.
State of Ohio ASA - 4 Berths - Open to any team registered by State of Ohio ASA and per Warren Jones any Region 9 team.
Cleveland Metro - 1 berth - Open to teams registered by Cleveland Metro, I have heard nothing from anyone on this site or elsewhere about how Cleveland Metro allocates their berth?
Cincinnati Metro - 1 berth - Open to teams registered by Cincinnati Metro
In addition how have the Region 9 Hall of Fame Qualifiers been allocated for 2009 and how will they be allocated for 2010, I recall hearing something about a Tnmt in the fall to award the berths for this event where half the teams will get a berth.
I am sorry for insisting, but I knew how the Code worked and Qualifying worked in Region 10, it appears there is a completely different process in Region 9, shouldn't they all be the same?
Well said!
Unfortunately much of the misinformation has come from State of Ohio ASA and their numerous associate commissioners, and as such has come down written in stone.
Maybe we should start a thread here titled:
ASA Nationals Qualification 101
And only opinions backed up by reference to ASA Code sections would be allowed.
I would ask at this point does anyone really know when and where events will be held that account for all of the following berths that are available in Region 9, in every age group, maybe someone could compile a list.
Region 9 Qualifiers - 2 berths - Open to R9 teams ONLY
Region 9 "Open" Qualifier - 1 berth - Open to ANY registered ASA team from anywhere.
State of Ohio ASA - 4 Berths - Open to any team registered by State of Ohio ASA and per Warren Jones any Region 9 team.
Cleveland Metro - 1 berth - Open to teams registered by Cleveland Metro, I have heard nothing from anyone on this site or elsewhere about how Cleveland Metro allocates their berth?
Cincinnati Metro - 1 berth - Open to teams registered by Cincinnati Metro
In addition how have the Region 9 Hall of Fame Qualifiers been allocated for 2009 and how will they be allocated for 2010, I recall hearing something about a Tnmt in the fall to award the berths for this event where half the teams will get a berth.
I am sorry for insisting, but I knew how the Code worked and Qualifying worked in Region 10, it appears there is a completely different process in Region 9, shouldn't they all be the same?
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TT,
I just finalized my schedule for June and beginning of July.
I had to wait so I could see when and where the qualifiers would fall.
I just finalized my schedule for June and beginning of July.
I had to wait so I could see when and where the qualifiers would fall.
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I bidded on two Hall of Fame qualifying events to be held this Fall (2010) for the 2011 Hall of Fame Tournament in Oklahoma City. Know Monday, if I get any of them
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From what I can see all of the ASA/USA qualifiers in Ohio are up on the Ohio ASA Youth Tournament web site @ http://www.ohioasasoftball.org/page37.html - they are not labeled ASA/USA as such (in order to distinguish them them from a zone national, i.e. Eastern/Northern qualifier), but if you know what you are looking for, they are there. What Ohio ASA lacks is a single promotional voice to take the information that CincyStorm has posted above with berths available and match that up to the contact information on the Ohio ASA Youth Tournament and then make a singular post on OFC under the ASA Tournament Section for all age groups and then keep "bumping" that post to the top every few days.
Once WJ gets the tournaments bid out to the individuals that want to hold them, his job is done. Someone who likes promoting needs to pick up from there for Ohio. Doesn't need to be the individual TD's running the tournaments.
Once WJ gets the tournaments bid out to the individuals that want to hold them, his job is done. Someone who likes promoting needs to pick up from there for Ohio. Doesn't need to be the individual TD's running the tournaments.
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ASA 10u-12u is promoted in the OFC.
Usually, it is individuals that post in here to give the other teams the knowledge of who and where things are at.
I helped my District Commissioner place the 18u state in the ASA section of the OFC. Just got off the phone with him actually as we talked for over an hour.
10u-12u State is run by the high school coach who supports his travel team
18u state is being ran in 2010 by a District Commissioner .
16u in Findlay or 14u in Elyria.. I personally have no knowledge of.
Bidding for the 2011 tournaments for ASA ended today and the meeting is this Sunday in Columbus.
I bidded on 7 total events along with the help of the CVB. 6 girls events and one women's state tournament.
The dates for next year's events are set in stone and must be played on the weekends it is stated. No other options are available.
Usually, it is individuals that post in here to give the other teams the knowledge of who and where things are at.
I helped my District Commissioner place the 18u state in the ASA section of the OFC. Just got off the phone with him actually as we talked for over an hour.
10u-12u State is run by the high school coach who supports his travel team
18u state is being ran in 2010 by a District Commissioner .
16u in Findlay or 14u in Elyria.. I personally have no knowledge of.
Bidding for the 2011 tournaments for ASA ended today and the meeting is this Sunday in Columbus.
I bidded on 7 total events along with the help of the CVB. 6 girls events and one women's state tournament.
The dates for next year's events are set in stone and must be played on the weekends it is stated. No other options are available.
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You seem to care more about gettin tournament Info out than anyone else does..................... I nominate you the Offical Tournament Information get-er outer for OFC :yahoo:
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LOL.... Boulder Dad
1. The 10u -12u ASA State is part of the Circuit of Champions in this first year. I try to promote the Circuit as much as possible.
2. Hoping to bring something down to the Southern Ohio area for the teams when it comes to state tournaments and National qualifiers... since the Southern Ohio area is very sparce with ASA events.
3. I plan on supporting the Circuit of Champions with the proceeds of the 2011 tournaments. If I can get one of each in the month of June, 2011 ... then it helps me put in the "kitty" for the finals of the Circuit of Champions in 2011. I informed my board members I was doing this.
4. I think Goshen is a fine site for any event based on drainage and amount of fields. There are other fields available to me as well nearby.. not including Tealtown.
1. The 10u -12u ASA State is part of the Circuit of Champions in this first year. I try to promote the Circuit as much as possible.
2. Hoping to bring something down to the Southern Ohio area for the teams when it comes to state tournaments and National qualifiers... since the Southern Ohio area is very sparce with ASA events.
3. I plan on supporting the Circuit of Champions with the proceeds of the 2011 tournaments. If I can get one of each in the month of June, 2011 ... then it helps me put in the "kitty" for the finals of the Circuit of Champions in 2011. I informed my board members I was doing this.
4. I think Goshen is a fine site for any event based on drainage and amount of fields. There are other fields available to me as well nearby.. not including Tealtown.
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Southern Ohio received no bids for 2011 and even on the tied bids .. we lost in committee.
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The Cincy Metro.. which IS Hamilton County teams only... is not open and I have tried to get it opened to no success
Since, it is not open... I will not being doing the 10u Cincy Metro being that Goshen is out of the Cincy Metro area.
Since, it is not open... I will not being doing the 10u Cincy Metro being that Goshen is out of the Cincy Metro area.
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