A Question of Integrity

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I've read a number of posts recently that questioned the process of players awards selection such as conference, league, state etc.

Let me throw this one out there and see what the OFC'ers think:

There is a coach in the Dayton area who is also a DII poll voter who has openly made comments to other coaches at their recent player award selection meeting that he will do anything he can to keep a particular state ranked rival from getting any state awards either for thier team or any player on that team. His reasoning was that the team gets too much hype in his opinion. He was not shy about making this point clear to anyone who would listen at the meeting. Of course he might consider in the future to be a little more descrete and not make such comments to people who happen to be good friends with the person who coaches the offended team.

Don't get me wrong, the coach in question has never been accused of being the sharpest tool in the shed, but you would think that a little more stealthy approach would be appropriate if you intend to purposefully harm or defame a fellow coach, team or players.

Now in the grand scheme of things I guess I could understand if a coach had an issue with another coach (especially if he has never had any success vs. him). If this is where it ended then so be it. However, the person in question seems to be making it his personal mission to take out his petty aggression on the players from the team as well. This is where I draw the line. I feel that no person who is tasked with the responsibility to objectively vote on players performances should use that tool as a weapon to make some kind of statement. Or at least if he is going to do it, maybe he should keep his petty intentions to himself and not boast to others about what he is doing and why.

Integrity should be the order of the day. Don't mess with student athletes who work hard all year long and deserve recognition just because you have never had any personal success vs them. This is not our roles as adults or as leaders of young adults. The actions that where taken by this coach and poll voter were deliberate and they were meant to be hurtful. The fact that he boasted to other coaches about what he was doing make it a despicable act.

Personally I think that his position as a poll voter should be in serious question given the fact that he openly made comments to other area coaches about how he has already affected this other team in the polls, and also how he would do what he could to see to it that players from that team would recieve no state awards. It would be nice to see him be held to a higher standard, assuming a standard even exists.
 
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That's the kind of behavior that if witnessed first hand, MIGHT be worth CALLING out that Coach as his behavior is most likely in gross violation of his HS and League rules/policies. Maybe an EMAIL to the League commissioner would be most appropriate and let the League decide if/how to deal with it or the AD at the HS this Coach works for.
 
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There are more coaches than just that one that make those types of decisions. Another that bothers me is when a coach will not vote for a particular player because they feel it may hurt the chances of their player getting an award. I understand wanting to see your own players being successfull but the best players should recieve votes.

The bottom line is that there is no perfect way for the selection process to take place. There will always be idiots out there with not enough moral fortitude to do the right thing. It is a shame that the athletes suffer from adults acting like they are in junior high.
 
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Sounds like its high time this "coach" found another way to pad the income. Theres no place for this kind of thing in H.S. sports and gives it yet another black eye.
Polls get skewed, awards get skewed, all because there are guys like this coaching. It really makes a mockery of the whole thing.
 
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WELCOME TO HIGH SCHOOL SOFTBALL - I have yet to actually meet a single high school coach that doesnt have an alternate agenda - BRING ON TRAVEL BALL - PLEASE!!!!
 
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Megasportsmom ... many, many high school coaches don't haver alternate agendas ... it's no different than anything else ... don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.
 
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Megasportsmom ... many, many high school coaches don't haver alternate agendas ... it's no different than anything else ... don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

Agree.

Many try to do the right thing and are just as frustrated as everybody else.
 
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I live in a world of high softball ruled by "FAMILY" down here - my world is currupt.
 
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Sounds like its high time this "coach" found another way to pad the income. Theres no place for this kind of thing in H.S. sports and gives it yet another black eye.
Polls get skewed, awards get skewed, all because there are guys like this coaching. It really makes a mockery of the whole thing.

I totally agree. However the bigger problem here is that this particular coach has more responsibility then just coaching his own team. He has been tasked as a poll voter and has other responsibilities in the district. Someone in that position actually has a direct effect. He purposfully uses his position to negatively impact this other team on a regular basis, and he makes no bones about it when talking with his coaching peers. Thats why it rises to the level of shameful in my book.
 
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I totally agree. However the bigger problem here is that this particular coach has more responsibility then just coaching his own team. He has been tasked as a poll voter and has other responsibilities in the district. Someone in that position actually has a direct effect. He purposfully uses his position to negatively impact this other team on a regular basis, and he makes no bones about it when talking with his coaching peers. Thats why it rises to the level of shameful in my book.

Well, his "coaching peers" :rolleyes: seem as much at fault for letting it continue this long as he is. Someone higher up the chain needs to be made aware of the situation.
 
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BenBudda- I am the poll voter you are talking about and I talked to JN today to clear the air from my point of view. If you want to know the real story feel free to email me. Believe half of what you hear and 100% of what you see.
 
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BenBudda- I am the poll voter you are talking about and I talked to JN today to clear the air from my point of view. If you want to know the real story feel free to email me. Believe half of what you hear and 100% of what you see.

I will say this Buckeyebub- as a parent of a girl on this team I had better not find out that any of this is true in any way shape or form. If, and I say if it affected my kid or any other kid on this team as far as district or state honors than you and I are going to have a serious problem.

What a shameful and cruel thing for an adult to do to student ahtletes, especially when you consider that these are the people that we as parents put our trust in to be role models for our kids. JMHO:(
 
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BenBudda- I am the poll voter you are talking about and I talked to JN today to clear the air from my point of view. If you want to know the real story feel free to email me. Believe half of what you hear and 100% of what you see.

Your saying it's at least half true? ;&
 
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I guess buckeyebub has gone into hiding since he will not answer anyone on here including some pm's that i know he has received.

mustohiofastpitch really hit the nail sqaure on the head with his comment.
 
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Not to start an old argument. But many all Ohio players and All conference players play travel ball. Those teams have web pages with stats. It is interesting to look how well they are doing in travel ball . Some are doing very well and others it makes you wonder. I looked up a few that played in our conference and it just confirmed my belief in the selection process.
 
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Malissa Hoffbauer STATE HOME RUN RECORD honorable mention state????
Crestline 1 1st team NW Dist 2nd team state player????

Food for thought.
 
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I will say this Buckeyebub- as a parent of a girl on this team I had better not find out that any of this is true in any way shape or form. If, and I say if it affected my kid or any other kid on this team as far as district or state honors than you and I are going to have a serious problem.

What a shameful and cruel thing for an adult to do to student ahtletes, especially when you consider that these are the people that we as parents put our trust in to be role models for our kids. JMHO:(

Set the Hammer on them! It's your Tax Dollars being spent one way or another to fund the H.S. Softball Program. While we as Umpire bear the brunt of abuse during games, you ever wonder what goes on behind the scenes that we offical's have zero control over; just like stated in this Post we hear about it but there is nothing Umpires can do. While we are accused of calls that can make or break a game, their decision making can make or break a H.S. Player.


FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing too SLOW!
 
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That's the kind of behavior that if witnessed first hand, MIGHT be worth CALLING out that Coach as his behavior is most likely in gross violation of his HS and League rules/policies. Maybe an EMAIL to the League commissioner would be most appropriate and let the League decide if/how to deal with it or the AD at the HS this Coach works for.

"" to deal with it or the AD at the HS this Coach works for" They are all in it together. My experience with school officials is they all stick together to defend their incompetency. It is given their basic inabilities that they have the jobs anyway. They would get fired at any other job.
 
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