24 hours to accept, really?!

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just for conversation.

Parents and player have laid out a plan for three or four tryouts. You think about it day and night for two weeks. The day of the tryout comes and they offer a spot. What would prevent you from saying yes?

You have thought about it for two weeks? You read OFC for two weeks and know all the teams and who is saying what. You went to the tryout thinking this is one of your top choices.

Are you going to wait for the others to offer? What if they don't and this team finds someone else to say yes right then?

How long of a wait to say yes or no is fair? Did you really want to join the team you just tried out for, or was this a tune up for the REAL tryout?

 

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This whole tryout thing is a game in itself. Players want to tryout for other teams because other teams need players. And those teams want to fill the roster as quickly as they can. If you wait on players and they goto other tryouts and join other teams you don't have a team. I don't want to pressure anyone to play for me but I also now how this tryout game is played.... so the best thing you can do is just offer a player a spot, feel them out as far as what you think they might do, and just go from there.... wait to long and the next player in line that you haven't talked to yet might go somewhere else. Very tricky and touchy

 

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I as a coach have an obligation to my team to fill the spots as quickly as possible and to get going. If I have a girl come to my tryouts should I think anything other than that if I offer her a spot she should take it?? 24 hours may be pushing it, but while I'm waiting on you to take a better offer, 2-3 other girls in the list after you are jumping on other teams and before you know it I'm left holding the bag and an unfilled roster.

If your a travel coach making those offers you understand my thoughts and feelings, it can be gut wrenching waiting for players to make up their mind. I respect an organization that has kids come to their tryouts and when offered a spot they give them a time frame, be 24 hours so be it. What you think the Trumpster would do, is he going to give you a week to make up your mind....Sorry, next!!

 

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I would like to hear Dan Gilberts Oppinion on this!:lmao::yahoo::lmao::yahoo:

 

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at SGS Magic, we have struggled for years about offers, time limits etc. We have heard one organization locally telling players if they didn't sign on the spot, their offer wasn't being held. We have done this past 2 years: After a tryout, we either offer you a spot in 72 hours or assume we won't. After offering we allow a guaranteed offer good for 48 hours, and it may be good longer, but we reserve the right to move on down our list of offers. Perfect, i'm sure probably not, but does seem to work for us. Our coaches are highly qualified h.s. and college coaches and really don't have the desire to "chase" people. We advertise what we are, and if somebody shows up for a tryout, they get to meet the coach, and spend ample time around them, so we hope they know if it's a good fit or not.

 

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If we are discussing the same org., they offer try-outs two different weekends. If you weren't thinking #1 tryout then you could wait until the second week (to weigh your options) . If you went to the tryout the first weekend and didn't want to commit then you shouldn't have wasted their time. We know that many girls go to the first weekend of tryouts as a tune-up.

The parents could have also said no. Just because they chose to say yes and not go to another tryout...how can you blame the organization? Blame the parent for jumping on the committment if you wanted this girl so bad. She can still go to yours and then call and "have a change of heart" with this org. IMHO that parent must have decided that this org has more to offer or they wouldn't have said yes. I wouldn't say yes to noone unless the entire family was sure. This is my DDs choice after all.

I don't want to upset anyone...just tired around this time of year when people begin the try-out bashing.

 

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As an aside...I can understand a family being upset with a 24 hour time limit...but the head of another organization questioning another organization ethics seems like a stretch to me.

 

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What is the typical time to accept? DD and family are new to the travel side.

From our experience, typical time to accept has been around 4-5 days. Managers wanted to know by the next scheduled tryout. We've always been up front with teams and would let them know ASAP.

 

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I am not questioning anyones ethics, actually I know and respect the head of the other org. So let's not even go there please. I believe I did say I was a bit Jealous...

What I was questioning was the undue pressure that a 24hr deadline causes. I do feel that it is strong arming a decision. We do not work that way, that is probably why I have a hard time seeing any good in it.

P.S. The player never played for my org, but she was interested in trying out. There was no guarantee that she would have been offered a spot with us, but she should of had the time to at least try.

 

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P.S. The player never played for my org, but she was interested in trying out. There was no guarantee that she would have been offered a spot with us, but she should of had the time to at least try.

And she should still try-out. It is unfair to this other org. if (in fact) that family felt pressured. Will they give their all to the org.? or will they have the pressured feeling all year long? If you aren't comfortable saying yes then it shouldn't be said. That, to me, is completely unfair to the org that was "committed" to. Just saying yes because you're scared you won't get another chance-that's not right (not saying it happened in this case). JMHO.

 

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24 hours is kinda bullcrap IMO. If we ran into that case I would tell them ' I can give you an answer in 24 seconds'!
I personally have gave the girls 10 days. If it was meant to be, it will happen. Parents have told me they would like to see a couple more tryouts before they decide. I have NO problem with that at all. That is their right and their choice. Girls should see other organizations before they decide.
If they run into something they think is better..........then God bless and good luck with team such and such, move down the list or have more tryouts. I`ll let them know to say 'hey' to me if we run across them at a tournament.
Some coaches/organizations take it way to personal.

But again the 24 hours.................~YIKES~

 

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all these new organizations are trying to pick up as many players as possible. Hoping to bag a good player. Most of these start up teams are going to get the rec kids. What player thats any good going to a team that they have no idea what to expect(coaches, players). We have another start up in lake county offering everything. They are baseball people who think they would make good softball people.

 

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24 hours is too short to demand an answer ... though the point is well taken that it can't be forever either. It really is strong-arming no matter how you cut it. I think there are 2 good options ... one is to stay look, if you really want my DD on your team you are going to have to wait until she tries out for the other organizations that she had planned to try out for, and we will give you an answer by XXXX. If that's not good enough and you really are going to pressure us that quickly, then frankly you're not an organization we want to play for.

If you're not confident in your DD's ability to get another opportunity, then the other option is to say you accept, but don't send them a nickel until you have gone and tried out for those other teams. I don't condone this, but it is an option and it will eventually train these high pressure organizations to quit treating people like that.

 

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24 hours is kinda bullcrap IMO. If we ran into that case I would tell them ' I can give you an answer in 24 seconds'!
I personally have gave the girls 10 days. If it was meant to be, it will happen. Parents have told me they would like to see a couple more tryouts before they decide. I have NO problem with that at all. That is their right and their choice. Girls should see other organizations before they decide.
If they run into something they think is better..........then God bless and good luck with team such and such, move down the list or have more tryouts. I`ll let them know to say 'hey' to me if we run across them at a tournament.
Some coaches/organizations take it way to personal.

But again the 24 hours.................~YIKES~

Amen Barry! If you're confident about yourself as a coach and as an organization, 10 days to decide on an offer is fair. Any coaches or organizations only allowing a 24/48 hour window to decide is NOT giving a player the opportunity to go to multiple tryouts and shows the coaches, teams, and organization's insecurity. It is about the kids, not the coaches or the organizations. Give the kids and their parents a chance to explore their opportunities and options.

Len

 

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Lots of good input here...

Still stumped though on on what to do...

DD was in top 5-10% talent pool second year 12u (told this, not my opinion, but not the point)
Going to 14u this year.

Have made two decisions in past two yrs where we were misled from the tryout perspective (one year we turned into a positive, next was huge drama and overall had good year, but under-achieved and had fragmented team).

Narrowed down our pre-tryout schedule to two premier orgs with good reps and good program. We do not have any firsthand experience with either - just what we read online, and seen on the field. First org had tryout during this week (8/11), and second org has tryouts weekend of 8/21.

DD was offered spot 'before' the tryout, selling was laid on thick. Coach asked where else we were looking to, and we told him. These two orgs are neck and neck year in and out. He told us he wanted an answer by this weekend, or 4 days, so he knows what he needs to look for in his second tryout day. I understand this totally from his standpoint, and potentially girl and family #2 on the list.

If we commit, while this may not be a bad decision, we still feel we are missing out and making a decision that is somewhat forced, and not getting the opportunity to truly explore both orgs and make ultimately, a very informed decision based on fit for all involved.
On the other hand, if we say no to the first org, there is no guarantee of getting an offer from second org....

Anyone have any sort of similar experience that can give us some sanity here? Thanks!

 

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I would say from a outsiders standpoint "always trust your gut". If you were 100% sure you wouldn't be asking. If your DD is in the higher percentile on talent and is coachable, she will find a spot on a good team. Heck, I know a few teams that will create spots for a stud (mine included, LoL).

Remember, that this game is not all about winning like many think it is. All these years and $$ are an investment in the overall development of your DD. Sure we all like to win, winning is a lot more fun than losing any day. There is a tremendous amount of human growth (character building) that comes from losing. Now I am not saying go find a team that is going to get the snot kicked out of them every weekend, just don't base your decision on the win/loss record. Look at the player development first and foremost. JMHO

 

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No simple answer. I think alot of families fall into the same catagory. Do I take the sure thing (offer all ready) or do I go to another tryout. I don't think there is a right answer that is why so many kids change teams year in and year out. Look, going to a two hour tryout with the coaches on there best behavior doesn't always give you a true gauge of how the season is going to go or how the coaches are going to act when the pressure of a game is on. It's a roll of the dice some times. Been there, done that. Alot of the times you just go with your gut instinces and hope for the best. Sounds to me like your leaning towards going to more tryouts. Good luck to you and your dd.

 

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Lets be honest, how many people go to 2-? tryouts "just to get a feel for the team" and "see if it's right for them." Maybe an entry level travel family but not the ones who have been doing this awhile.

Those that have more than 2 years experience know from the get go who they want to play for, and your sending out a smoke screen if you try to tell me otherwise!! But they also need a contingency plan, therefore the reason they go to multiple tryouts. Well it just so happens that they go to plan "B" and "C" tryouts before Plan "A" or before plan "A" makes an offer. Plan "B" and "C" make offers so you stall to see if plan "A" comes through, sound familiar.;& So doesn't it make sense that if you need more time then it isn't your first choice???

This is plane fact, I have been running tryouts long enough to know that if a kid tells me they need more time, then I am their #2 on down choice for whatever reason, and I should start calling the next in line before I lose them as well. Again, this may not be the case for "newbies" but anyone that has frequented this forum and doesn't know which teams are which before tryouts should be running with OJ because they sure can tell a good lie.:yahoo:


As an aside...Here is the next question I get when it comes to tryouts "Who do you have coming back or how many?" This right here is a no win question if your a coach!! If you don't have the right amount or the right kids then its not going to be a good team so we'll look elsewhere, or....well it doesn't look like my DD will get the expected playing time on an already pretty good team so we will look elsewhere. Have had both told to me numerous times through the years and it is frustrating.

 

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Cmon Knights,
Everything you say is true with the more experienced and older girls. Most of us all know the girls by know in the general area we are all from. Most of the top talent doesn't have to go to tryout there excepted on past ability or recruited to teams. But these decisions do go on in the younger and less experienced age groups. There are alot of girls that fit into these catagories with start up teams and tons of teams I've never even heard of before.

 

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With most of the tryouts being held over the weekends, really whats the difference in 24hours to 72 hours to 5 days? Your still trying to get them signed before the next organizations tryouts, its the same reason some organizations have tryouts the first or 2nd week of august. Trying to land the best players before they sign with another organization.

Lots of talk about giving players plenty of time make up their mind, I would be curious how many organizations hold their tryouts the last week of august or labor day lol, and if there are any I would be curious to see what kind of turnout they get and success they've had on the field.

I personally think 48 hours is plenty of time, I figure you came to tryouts, you probably have some sort of plan...like if we get picked for this team, we are going to "sign, wait to see if we find something better or we are "just browsing", meanwhile the coach wants to set his team, he has other players he is interested in and those kids also deserve some sort of notification.