Another rule mis-interpretation

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My daughter's high school coach told her today (Feb 9) that when she played with her tournament team at the Spanodome last weekend that she was "illegal". Not allowed because of HS season.

Bologna. HS Pitchers and Catchers report on Feb 21, then position players, then cuts are made. You're not illegal until you've made the team.

I find it amazing that 18 "illegal" teams showed up to play at the 'Dome ;&

Don't mind me, I'm just venting to people who know I'm right.
 
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Here is a copy of what OHSAA said on 7/24/09 ... as long as they weren't excess of 4 players from the same high school, there should be no issue ...

July 24 - The OHSAA has revised the sport regulation regarding indoor softball and baseball to reflect that members of the same school team are no longer permitted to participate on the same non-interscholastic indoor softball or baseball team in excess of the four player limitation (50-percent rule), with the exception of from November 1 to February 1 during the school year.
 
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Thanks for the info. ;)

Just wondering, did the coach report this illegal action to OHSAA? That'd be funny to see the look on his face when they told him he was wrong. :lmao:
 
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I'm pretty sure the players are not illegal until they play in their first preview. Which would theoretically mean that they can make the high school team once tryouts are over say March 9-10 and still be legal until their first preview which could be weeks away
 
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last weekend you mean end of Jan. which there is no issue.

Also a girl is not a member of a team until she plays in a game, scrimmage, or preview or once April 18th comes along, which are the times/dates that Non-Interscholastic Competition No Longer Permitted
 
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I just asked OHSAA....here is my question and their response from Roxanne Price, Assistant Commish


1. Is there a limit to how many girls from the same school can play on the same travel ball team? If so, does it matter if the high school coach is also the travel ball coach?
2. When do high school ball players become ineligible to play on a travel ball team in the spring? Is it (a)when pitchers and catchers report, (b)when the roster is posted, (c)when the first official practice is held, or (d)when the first scrimmage/game is held?

And her response....

First recognize that the rules for school coaches and for student members of the school team are two separate things.

The only time a school coach (and this includes both paid and volunteer coaches) can coach members of his/her school team is during the school season and during the time (June 1-July 31) allocated in the summer, which is a total of 10 days from June 1-July 31 for the entire coaching staff.

“Yes” it matters how many girls are on the travel ball team. No more than four students from the same school team can participate on a non-school team, outside of the season except from June 1-July 31, when there is no restriction on the number of students from the same school team participating together. There is still the 10 day restriction on the coaching staff. Outside of June 1-July 31 (thus May 31 or Sept 1 or any other day outside this window), there can be no more than four students from the same school team on the roster of a non-interscholastic team. This means no more than four can practice together, etc. This does not mean four participating on the field at one time, but no more than FOUR can be rostered.

The answer to #2 is “d” students can participate with their non-school team until that student participates in a scrimmage/contests. This is individual. If a student does not play in the first scrimmage, they are not yet members of this year’s school team. Any student who played on a school softball team last season (2010 season) , even middle school students, count in the current 50% rule. For the summer of 2011, students who participate in the 2011 season count against the 50% rule, until the 2012 season is over.

One more wrinkle (and all of this is explained under General Regulation 4 Non interscholastic programs) on the softball page on the left hand side under “General Sports Regulations), if a school coach has a team that has four students or less from his/her school team, coaching a game (not giving instruction during practice, etc) only, does not count in the 10 day limitation, but any time any member of the coaching staff coaches even a single player in batting, hitting , fielding or any other “instruction” that counts as one of the 10 days.
 
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High school coaches... :rolleyes: Is it that time of year already?
 
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Yes, it's that time of year again! Personal interpretations of OHSAA rules.

And,for those of you looking at the "4 HS players on the same travel team" angle; does not apply - she's the only one on the tournament team from her high school. (And coach knows that.)
 
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I just asked OHSAA....here is my question and their response from Roxanne Price, Assistant Commish

And her response....


The only time a school coach (and this includes both paid and volunteer coaches) can coach members of his/her school team is during the school season and during the time (June 1-July 31) allocated in the summer, which is a total of 10 days from June 1-July 31 for the entire coaching staff.

?Yes? it matters how many girls are on the travel ball team. No more than four students from the same school team can participate on a non-school team, outside of the season except from June 1-July 31, when there is no restriction on the number of students from the same school team participating together. There is still the 10 day restriction on the coaching staff. Outside of June 1-July 31 (thus May 31 or Sept 1 or any other day outside this window), there can be no more than four students from the same school team on the roster of a non-interscholastic team. This means no more than four can practice together, etc. This does not mean four participating on the field at one time, but no more than FOUR can be rostered.

The answer to #2 is ?d? students can participate with their non-school team until that student participates in a scrimmage/contests. This is individual. If a student does not play in the first scrimmage, they are not yet members of this year?s school team. Any student who played on a school softball team last season (2010 season) , even middle school students, count in the current 50% rule. For the summer of 2011, students who participate in the 2011 season count against the 50% rule, until the 2012 season is over.

One more wrinkle (and all of this is explained under General Regulation 4 Non interscholastic programs) on the softball page on the left hand side under ?General Sports Regulations), if a school coach has a team that has four students or less from his/her school team, coaching a game (not giving instruction during practice, etc) only, does not count in the 10 day limitation, but any time any member of the coaching staff coaches even a single player in batting, hitting , fielding or any other ?instruction? that counts as one of the 10 days.

She needs to layoff the CRACK PIPE .

Now coaching a game is not coaching / contact, but instruction or practicing is :eek: HUH - HUH.

And now if a student plays school ball, they are considered a member for 2 years, :eek: HUH - HUH. But if in 2012 they did not participate in a game or scrimmage or preview than by the rules they are not a memeber of the school squad now are they...

Like I said layoff the CRACK PIPE , Roxanne Price..Or at least find someone who can read to tell you what the rules are..
 
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Forgot to add what about the Aug. 8th to Sept 5th Coach No Contact Period
 
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Anyone else have a headache? Could this stuff be anymore convoluted? I remember when it was all about bats and balls, not "contact periods," suspensions, and ineligibility!
 
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Some schools (including dd's), have a policy that the "no participation" period (i.e. with you travel team) begins on the date that pitchers and catchers report.
 
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Some schools (including dd's), have a policy that the "no participation" period (i.e. with you travel team) begins on the date that pitchers and catchers report.

We have this as well, we really don't have any issues as there are only a couple travel players on the team.
 
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Some schools (including dd's), have a policy that the "no participation" period (i.e. with you travel team) begins on the date that pitchers and catchers report.


This is the rule that we follow... whenever the high school coach says "stop", then we turn them over to him. No reason not to cooperate with them.
 
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Why wouldn't a school team support their kids getting quality reps and instruction? Why wouldn't a coach simply follow OHSAA rules (first scrimmage...)?
 
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Why wouldn't a school team support their kids getting quality reps and instruction? Why wouldn't a coach simply follow OHSAA rules (first scrimmage...)?

Most school teams are probably going six days a week now, do the girls really need a 7th day of practice in a week?
 
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I've always been an advocate for respecting the school districts and normally the Sunday before pitchers and catchers report is the last contacts we have accept for emails to the family/players to keep them updated on our schedule once school ball is complete. We host no fundraisers or have any other activities as a team. The kids sometimes get together and visit so I'm told but that's always a social setting and not team oriented.

Let the kids have their spring season and Sunday off. I agree, 6 days a week is enough.
 
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Isn't the 7th day for fixing everything the HS coaches screwed up? ;& :lmao:
 
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