Appropriate Coaching Behavior?

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I believe coaches HAVE to coach during games. There are so many teaching opportunities during a game that just cant be missed. However, it seems like many coaches don't understand how to do this anymore. It seems like its either be disrespectful to the player or dont coach at all? I read many posts on the other thread about yelling and now this, and I think its just sad. If you have to yell or degrade players to coach them, then maybe you would be a better parent in the stands then a coach on the field.

 

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By the way, which team won the game?

 

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I believe my DD plays for the team you are talking about.
We lost 9-2

 

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It is important that remember girls tend to have self esteem issues. Yelling at them and any way of putting them down in front of others only embarrasses them and does not usually motivate them to play better. The tend to respond much better to positive reinforcement.

 

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I have to disagree with this. Especially at the younger age groups, game time is also a coaching/teaching time. The girls are not at the proper learning stage to have this done.

This is how I was taught the learning phases/steps.

1. Rote
2. Understanding
3. Application
4. Correlation

When your team reaches Step 4., then I would agree. But Steps 1 through 3 require that a coach/teacher be involved to immediately correct deficiencies or those deficiencies will turn into bad habits. And we all know how hard it is to break those bad habits.

That's how I learned it and that is the philosophy that I have used and it works for me. I know we have some educators out there who probably have a more recent definition of the Levels of Learning.

The problem is how coaches correct deficiencies when they happen.

You are right about the younger age groups definately!! Our team is second year 14u.

It isn't that I think that the coaches shouldn't say anything about playing, but coching from the bench while they are on the field is more what I am talking about. I think they could offer coaching advice when they come off the field. JMHO

 

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That was definately out of line. Teams have bad games. "Punishing" them during the game in public is just stupid. On the opposite end, what do you think about coaches who just "quit" in the middle of a game that isn't going well for their team? I've seen this more than once this year!

 

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I seen this happen in a game we played in this year. It wasn't push-ups but a similar punishment. Lost a little respect for the staff when i saw that.

 

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If I were a parent, I'd tell the coach on the spot to drop and give me fifty. After all, he was the one that picked the team, taught them, practiced them and prepared them for the weekend.

If they stink, he's as responsible as anyone.

 

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I believe coaches HAVE to coach during games. There are so many teaching opportunities during a game that just cant be missed. However, it seems like many coaches don't understand how to do this anymore. It seems like its either be disrespectful to the player or dont coach at all? I read many posts on the other thread about yelling and now this, and I think its just sad. If you have to yell or degrade players to coach them, then maybe you would be a better parent in the stands then a coach on the field.

Boy, howdy. Coaching IS teaching and, like parenting, is full time, games and practice but not done the same way in different situations. Coaching during a game might best be short reminders on better technique or knowing the game situation. Coaching in practice should be organized, focused, repetitive, purposeful and fun (at least sometimes). And, I agree, good coaches seem to be increasingly rare ... managing and coaching are not the same thing.

 

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Sadly, coaches who know the game and know how to coach young women seem to be pretty few and far between. We have found many very well intentioned coaches who do not keep up with developments in the sport (still doing static stretching? STOP IT!), consider parents to be spectators and funders only (corporate management and coaching are not the same thing), don't focus on fundamentals (that super shortstop of yours is flat footed and has more errors than the entire Baltimore Orioles lineup), don't have a game plan (figures the lineup as the girls leave the dugout!?), don't apply policies consistently (cause being the boss is most important), don't have a vision for the team, aren't interested in learning (especially from well informed parents) ... and on and on. These are the guys who think humiliation is a good coaching tool. It is important but sometimes difficult to find out the coach's approach, philosophy and goals before you hand over a deposit.

 

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... The coach was so angry he had the girls drop and do pushups in front of their dugout, in front of the other team, in front of the umpire and in front of all the parents...

I think the highlighted portion says it all.

Make no mistake...this was not coaching, this was punishment.

This was a coach who was obviously extremely frustrated and lost control of himself.

If you'll allow me to psychoanalyze a little here, it's been my experience that some coaches (subconsciously) make it all about them. They feel how their girls play on any given day is a direct reflection on their coaching abilities and thus the coach is personally ashamed when the girls play poorly.

Instead of being the foundation of the team and giving the girls guidance and leadership, this coach lashed out at the ones he felt were "embarrassing" him and punished them.

I guess from here, it's up to y'all to decide how you feel about your dd being publicly humiliated because the coach got his ego bruised. ;&

 

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Please allow me to relate some past experiences. When I was in the US Army, I had the pleasure of flying a Command & Control helicopter for Brigade and Division commanders during training and combat missions. As with everything in life, something would go wrong, usually equipment failure or someone making a bad decision.

Those commanders in the back of the helicopter, directing the show, never once lost their cool during the mission. They continued to do thier job, commanding, by figuring out a course of action due to the circumstance. They could have easily started yelling and berating someone over the radio but they knew it wouldn't help the situation. As they always said, the mission debrief is where we figure out the why's and what's about a certain failure during the mission and how to prevent them in the future.

Their attitude was something that stuck with me the rest of my life. If you are a coach of any sport, their is absolutely no reason to "blow a fuse" during a GAME. In the big picture, it is a game, not a life or death situation. Once someone starts yelling at another party, the other party immediately goes into the defensive mode and ceases to learn.

Thanks for letting me share.

 

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Terrific post, wvanalmsick...excellent lesson from some folks who obviously know a thing or two about morale, performance and stress.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

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Katjoebenmom-you had me at y'all...lol WV-AMEN! I have seen way too many coaches this year with a small amount of knowledge but a really BIG ego..They also tend to forget you lead by example, and every move you make is scrutinized and analyzed by the 11-14 girls you are training. So if you blow your cool in a crisis situation, what do you think they will do? The only time you should yell at a girl (other than your own DD) is to get her attention about a game situation, positioning, etc-save the other stuff for alone time. There is a reason a lot iof time is spent in every branch of the service during Officer and NCO training on how you present yourself, both in your physical appearance and your demeanor. Of course, umpires are always fair game.....

 

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Wish I could have had my parents tell him to drop and do 50, but the coach WAS my dad.

 

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Sadly, coaches who know the game and know how to coach young women seem to be pretty few and far between. We have found many very well intentioned coaches who do not keep up with developments in the sport (still doing static stretching? STOP IT!), consider parents to be spectators and funders only (corporate management and coaching are not the same thing), don't focus on fundamentals (that super shortstop of yours is flat footed and has more errors than the entire Baltimore Orioles lineup), don't have a game plan (figures the lineup as the girls leave the dugout!?), don't apply policies consistently (cause being the boss is most important), don't have a vision for the team, aren't interested in learning (especially from well informed parents) ... and on and on. These are the guys who think humiliation is a good coaching tool. It is important but sometimes difficult to find out the coach's approach, philosophy and goals before you hand over a deposit.

Very well said.

There are too few individuals who know the game, know how to teach it, and know how to comport themselves -- win OR lose.

And when you find one or two, stay with 'em.

:yahoo:

 

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The Coach was not angry over the errors that were made during the inning. The Coach was angry over the lack of focus to keep their head in the game when they came back to the bench and fight through adversity in order to bounce back on offense. The pushups were not a punishment for bad play; however, they were given to bring back the focus to motivate.
Unfortunately, perception is everything and one who looks in from the outside perceives only his ignorance.

 

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...The pushups were not a punishment for bad play; however, they were given to bring back the focus to motivate.
Unfortunately, perception is everything and one who looks in from the outside perceives only his ignorance.

lol---what a load of horse manure

whatever, dude

 

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The pushups were not a punishment for bad play; however, they were given to bring back the focus to motivate. Unfortunately, perception is everything and one who looks in from the outside perceives only his ignorance.

Um, coach, you might try this one: The pushups were a fitness-enhancing reward to my team for not giving up in a challenging situation.


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Um, coach, you might try this one: The pushups were a fitness-enhancing reward to my team for not giving up in a challenging situation.


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LOL!!! Ohhhh...you're good brineyman *she bows to the master*