ASA Tournament ASA background/certifications?

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So what the great thing about ASA... I see one thing... ASA/USA Nationals. And Premier is taking that spot anymore in the past two years.

I see coaches all the time talk about.. playing ASA for reasons such as better tournaments, blah, blah, blah.

You go to a specific tournament based on their quality of teams that come back year after year.. not just based on it's an ASA event.

If Lasers went to USSSA or NSA or Global.... would that stop you from going to the Laser's event?

I doubt it.

It's the quality of the tournament .. not the sanction.

Look at Beckham's events.. their non sanctioned and is that stopping you from going?
 
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So what the great thing about ASA... I see one thing... ASA/USA Nationals. And Premier is taking that spot anymore in the past two years.

I see coaches all the time talk about.. playing ASA for reasons such as better tournaments, blah, blah, blah.

You go to a specific tournament based on their quality of teams that come back year after year.. not just based on it's an ASA event.

If Lasers went to USSSA or NSA or Globalr

It's the quality of the tournament .. not the sanction.

Look at Beckham's events.. their non sanctioned and is that stopping you from going?

I wasn't defending ASA, I was pointing out how ridiculous your plug was for GSA. In one breath you said it's all about the money and GSA isn't about the money then you rattle off how it will be publicly traded. Obviously, GSA is about the money as well, right now you are undercutting the competition to build your clientele, then you will be no better than the other sanctions.
 
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Come on Quaker, GSA being a publicly traded company means one thing they have to answer to stock holders. Stocker holders want money. GSA will be no better than ASA, NSA, USSSA, and whatever other stupid sanction wants to jump into it. How many sanctions do we need?

Looks like to me over the nationwide scope of events... many are jumping ship from the money hungry "biggies"... who want to collect the almighty dollars from TD's and TD's are getting fed up with having to pay $40.00 per team from some lousy Eastern Regional qualifier that means absolutely nothing. They just want you to believe it does.

Does anyone really think that ASA, USSSA or others are going to turn you away from the Eastern Regionals, etc... just because you didn't qualify? Come on, really.

That was NSA down fall here in Ohio. Orgs was getting tired of paying that amount for a qualifier and then force the teams to play state to go to the Nationals that they already won the right to go to in the first place.

As for shareholders, only so many stocks are going to be sold and profit from the National office intake of funds per year.. is split between the stockholders. Remember, we are talking ALL sports here and not just fastpitch softball.

There's different levels of stock that can be bought .. Class "A" through "D".
 
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Seriously, jdcii... since you are with the Valley Extreme org.

Tell me why Valley Extreme all of a sudden switched from NSA to ASA?

I know why.. do you?
 
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Has anyone ever figured out why Pickerington has never gotten a serious ASA event even though they probally out bidded anyone else?

I know why.
 
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Why has USSSA all of a sudden made a push into NE Ohio and Western PA this year?

Because they saw the opportunity to kick N$A out while they are down.
 
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Why did USSSA have so many rule changes this year in pitching and added Dp/Flex into their organizational tournaments?
 
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Why did Warren Jones push to put a state tournament in NE Ohio this year specifically?
 
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You go to a tournament based on the quality of the tournament.

Whatever sanction should not matter.
 
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Seriously, jdcii... since you are with the Valley Extreme org.

Tell me why Valley Extreme all of a sudden switched from NSA to ASA?

I know why.. do you?

I'm very well aware as to why and it's probably the same reason everyone is too. What does this have to do with you self promoting another sanction claiming GSA isn't about the money when you clearly are.
Just admit Quaker, it's alright. You'll survive, sanctions are a business and they need to make money. None of this has anything to do with the original posters comments.
 
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What it has to do is with is the basis of money grubbing association such as ASA that wants to take total control of your org and tell you what you have to do to play in their organaizational tournaments? The money grab. Did they not try to push last year to make teams buy ASA supplied insurance and you had to have it to play ASA?

Now, that's too much involved in an orgs business if you ask me. Ace Certification is the same thing.

Bad enough big government being more and more involved in our personal lives.. let alone some association telling orgs what they have to do... just to play a game...LOL
 
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I guarentee GSA don't charge $40.00 bucks to a TD for sanctioning an event !!!!
 
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I didn't want this to turn into an "asa vs. usssa vs. nsa" This certification and background is really disappointing. As a high school coach I have to have more certifications then this inthe first place, and our Magic organization has all high school and college coaches, and it just is a money issue and hassle that I for one won't do.

We have played in some really good local asa tournaments last year here in nwo, but his is a sad state of affairs, our organization is looking at usssa tournaments for 2011.
 
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Put the parents shoes on for a minute. We (coaches) are with players a lot. If you are a newbie player coming in, it would be nice as a parent to confirm that any adult coaching her/him does not have a criminal background especially if the coach had a sexually charge on him/her. I am not sure if the umpires need to do it but I think they should be included as well. The little bit of money invested brings in a big piece of mind to all parents. We as an organization was doing this anyway wheater ASA was doing it or not.
 
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Put the parents shoes on for a minute. We (coaches) are with players a lot. If you are a newbie player coming in, it would be nice as a parent to confirm that any adult coaching her/him does not have a criminal background especially if the coach had a sexually charge on him/her. I am not sure if the umpires need to do it but I think they should be included as well. The little bit of money invested brings in a big piece of mind to all parents. We as an organization was doing this anyway wheater ASA was doing it or not.

Do it within the organization instead of being forced to do it. That should be an organization's dealing and requirement. It should be done by every organization instead of ASA requiring it.

People, get a grip. I have to agree with Quaker's assessment of the money grab and I agree with him on the fact that it should not matter what sanction you play and most teams don't go to a sub-National tournament at the end of the year anyway.

Go to a tournament because a tournament runs a great event and not because of a certain sanction.

These TD's in Ohio is just wasting money having qualifiers and having to pay $40 or whatever a team to any association for the right to do so and all it does is make the tournament fees higher for the teams entering during a time when tournament fees are going higher and higher in a bad economy.

I coached my DD for two years when she was young and the tournaments we choose was based on the TD and how they ran their event and not on what sanction it was.

To think that a team just has to go to ASA events to be considered a good team is just mind numbing to me.

If Lasers, Stingrays, GAPPS and Parma Wildcats events were not ASA events, would you not go? Of course, you wouldn't. You are going because they are great events. Not because they are ASA and not because playing ASA gives you this so called "special status" as an organization.

I would love to see the percentages of the amount of Ohio teams that attend sub-National events such as ASA Eastern Regionals, USSSA Regional Nationals or whatever.

It has to be low.. so it proves the point that these poor ASA TD's and orgs are being douped into thinking that the money they pay ASA or USSSA or whatever sanction for these "qualifiers" is just one big waste of money spent.

I think after this year, you will see many of the big named events go non-sanctioned in Ohio because they figured it out. Beckham did. I commend the Doomers for going non-sanction after their umpire fiasco from last year in Goshen at the younger ages. Which was no fault of their own as they was sent what they was sent by ASA. It was pitiful, folks.

Tim, keep up the good work for these girls and informing these TD's. Your insight into this game is second to none. Obviously, the OFC people thinks so when they keep giving you your own section in the OFC year after year. But, you can't lead a horse to water. The TD's have to figure things out for themselves and some big organizations are starting to figure out the money scheme by some of these associations for pushing "qualifiers". It's just a matter of time when softball gets back to softball and not about money in someone's pockets.

Go play good events ran by good Tournament Directors. One's who care.

Good luck with Global, Tim.
 
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$$$ is not the only reason teams have left NSA for ASA. It started with communication from the state level, and effort put into there State events. Or should I say lack of.
 
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This is another case of "Big Government" and money. It is my resposability, as a parent, to check out my daughter's coach. It is also the travel organization's responsablility to check out who they hire. But the ACE certification to be ASA sanction is just a huge money grubbing tactic. ASA you should be ashamed. Just another reason to play in the USSSA Eastern 11U/13U/15U World Series in Maumee
 
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I am sure we will see lots more of the "non-sanction" tournaments because of this.

I like the "show up and play" non-sanctioned tourneys. Less political junk and less of a headache. TD's should really consider non-sanction this summer. It's not to late to drop sanctioning. ;&
 
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You want to talk about non-money grabbing sanctioning bodies...then look up ISA tourneys in the south. You can play a 5gg and play top teams for $200 bucks. That's a deal. Play teams like Team Synergy and Frost Falcons and still get WS Berths...shoot our friendlies can cost $200!
 
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I am sure we will see lots more of the "non-sanction" tournaments because of this.

Over $25 - $50 dollars a year for team registration, ACE & background check !?!? How many of us have annual dues to the YMCA, Golf courses, and other gyms or spas and don't use it ? Don't hear people complaining about that. It's like they say..... insurance is the biggest waste of money, till you need it.

JMHO
 

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