BAT ROLLING SERVICE ~ Juice Bat?

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Never heard of this before .. is this for real? :-?
composite/doublewall alloy BAT ROLLING SERVICE juiced

http://cgi.ebay.com/composite-doubl...ryZ47264QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

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Oh, it's for real! And, if detected by an umpire, will get you the penalty for using an altered bat.

Problem is, it's really hard to detect. If you know what you're looking for there might be tell-tale signs of machining marks along the bat surface. You can also sometimes see a very fine "crinkle" effect in the bat graphics, where the paint has cracked and the composite material shows through in a lighter color.

This process actually breaks down the bonds between the composite filler material, making the bat more flexible and springier. I would have to imagine that it also makes the bat more likely to break as the structural integrity has been weakened.

The biggest market for these "bat doctor" services is in the slow pitch world. I've never come across one of these altered bats in a fastpitch game.

 

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I promise I didn't click on any other pictures in that add!

 

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YIKES! I didn't even scroll all the way down the page and see that until you mentioned it!

It just shows my point about the main market is for these services- the testosterone-laced rec leagues where knocking one out of the park is a big, macho deal.

 

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this has made its way into fastpitch, i have had people tell me about this technique being used on bats that are being used in fastpitch tourneys. i guess players in the testosterone laced rec leagues have dd's and sometimes even talk to fastpitch people.

 

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If it gives you that much of an edge, don't you think the bat manufacturers (Anderson, Easton, Worth, and others) would be marketing it? I'm sure they could add this process before the paint process and make it undetectible.

 

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If the bat companies did it, it would never pass ASA specifications, and would be considered illegal. The bat companies and the ASA reevaluate the bats every year when they come out, so you can bet the bat companies know what will and won't fly during the R&D stages of production.

 

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My question to the POSTEE? Why were you looking to even JUICE a bat I have heard of many ways to do this but it looks like that would be a cheap way. Some of these bats they have out now really dont need alot of breaking in. If all the bats keep getting HOTTER Im going to have to teach my dd to PITCH FROM 2nd Base. ;D

 

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If bat manufacturers did it, not only would the bats fail the certification tests, they would have a warranty nightmare on their hands. Or else they would have to sell bats with no warranty. Who is going to drop 300 bucks on that?

Composite bats are made from fibers, usually carbon fibers, held together in a matrix of what is essentially glue. Rolling a bat breaks the bonds between those fibers so the bat is less stiff.

Think of all the posts about composite bats breaking. Now, imagine what would happen if you made the bat weaker.

The reason altered bats are illegal is two-fold. The performance represents an unfair advantage not intended by the rules and you have the safety issues (increased batted ball speeds and possible injury from breakage).

 

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My question to the POSTEE? Why were you looking to even JUICE a bat I have heard of many ways to do this but it looks like that would be a cheap way. Some of these bats they have out now really dont need alot of breaking in. If all the bats keep getting HOTTER Im going to have to teach my dd to PITCH FROM 2nd Base. ;D

Vipers: I was searching e-bay for an afordable bat for DD .. wanted a last years Easton Synergy 31/21 but can only find 30/20 @ $150 .. so I was putting in several different searches on my browser and in e-bay for blemished or close out bats and this came up .. I don't remember under which search. I just clicked on it and wasn't sure what it was all about. I don't even know what juicing a bat is and had never heard of juicing or rolling. Actually I didn't even know you had to break in a bat .. I thought the more it was used the more it would loose its integrity .. so I really am clueless and trying to learn .. that is why I asked. Now that know it is illegal and I guess unfair or even dangerous to the infielders .. I would of course not consider it. Still looking for an affordable decent bat if anyone has any leads. TKS

 

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And if we shorthen the fields to ...oh lets say 170ft, the balls would really fly out! ;D

 

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First,

There is a big difference between "juicing a bat" and rolling a bat.

In the slow pitch world they will remove the end cap and "shave" the inner wall of the bat to give it more flexibility or "pop", which makes the ball jump off the bat. This will usually increase the distance of a ball by about 10% or more. In the slow pitch world that makes a miss a home run for the big hitters. It will also decrease the swing weight of the bat by 1/2 or 1 oz. They then glue the end cap back on, very, very hard to detect.

Rolling a bat just breaks the bat in quicker. It breaks the composite fibers, making the bat "livelier" if thats a word. This can be done without rolling it by taking "alot" of BP. Most composite bats do not get broke in until they have 300 to 400 swings on them. Once they are broke in, the bats life is short. They will break in half or cave in. This can also be done by beating the bat "not too hard" against a wood light pole or the like, turning the bat after every swing. Having a bat rolled, just speeds up the process and is impossible to detect because the result of rolling it is a natural result of composite bats.

 

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So...is bat rolling legal? Is it considered cheating if you are just speeding up time as you say?

 

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So...is bat rolling legal? Is it considered cheating if you are just speeding up time as you say?

Maybe a better question is, is it ethical?

Bat warmers are illegal in Ohio high school softball, but I don't think that there is anything inethical about using them!

 

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Ya know---this thread reminds me of probably one of the funniest things I've EVER read about softball---------->

http://eteamz.active.com/fastpitch/boards/fastpitch/message.cfm?id=1532269

Enjoy! ;D

 

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Kat, that was funny stuff. I could have a field day with those jokers. ;D

 

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Ringer----you could so totally roll with those dudes! ? Those guys are OFF the HOOK!!!

(Bakeback Mountain/kiss the cook/bon appetite, cheater/Chef-Boy-Ardee) ?I laughed out loud, had tears in my eyes.

 

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That's not juicing a bat. Rolling bats, hitting them with rubber mallets has been around since composite bats have been around. It breaks the bats in faster. Now you know why you see so many Men slow pitch players at muffler shops

Its kind of like having your kid use her bat in the cage, because that breaks it faster too, however, that also voids the warranty on the bat.